Gingrich Declares Gay Rights Questions Are 'Anti-Christian Bigotry'
Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich blasted moderators at a debate in New Hampshire Saturday for "anti-Christian bigotry" after they asked several of the GOP hopefuls about gay rights.
"I just want to raise a point about the news media bias," the former House Speaker complained to ABC's Diane Sawyer. "You don't hear the opposite question asked."
"Should the Catholic Church be forced to close its adoption services in Massachusetts because it won't accept gay couples, which is exactly what the state has done? Should the Catholic Church be driven out of providing charitable services in the District of Columbia because it won't give in to secular bigotry? Should the Catholic Church find itself discriminated against by the Obama administration on key delivery of services because the bias and bigotry of the administration?"
He added: "The bigotry question goes both ways and there's a lot more anti-Christian bigotry today than there is concern on the other side, and none of it gets covered by the news media."
That remark was met with some of the loudest applause of the evening from the Republican audience, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney quickly spoke up in agreement.
"As you can tell, the people in this room feel that Speaker Gingrich is absolutely right, and I do too," Romney declared. "We have to recognize that this decision about what we call marriage has consequences which goes far beyond a loving couple wanting to form a long-term relationship, that they can do within the law now. Calling it marriage creates a whole host of problems for families, for the law, for the practice of religion, for education."
"Let me say this: 3,000 years of human history shouldn't be discarded so quickly," he insisted.
"Let me say this: 3,000 years of human history shouldn't be discarded so quickly," he insisted.
So we should rethink things like, say, slavery? Because humanity had slaves for thousands of years, too. Hell, the bible he so fawns on says that slavery is just fine. Should we hold debates about taking back the Emancipation Proclamation because it's "reverse bigotry"?
These people are lunatics. There's no other word for it.
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Supposedly, while he was First Lord of the Admiralty, Churchill was told that one of his proposed innovations wouldn't be a good idea because it went against the traditions of the service. He replied (I assume quoting himself, so grain of salt indicated.), "Traditions of the service! What are those but rum, sodomy and the lash?!"
.. he's surely the man to do it!
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"And he [Solomon] had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines" 1 Kings 11:3
Corruption favors the wealthy.
The RCC is free to discriminate in any way they see fit to do, but not with taxpayer money or in areas that require a state license. If you don't want to offer adoption services to every person in your state that meets the guidelines set by your state, you don't get to offer adoption services in that state. See, it's actually pretty simple.
Let's face it, if there was an agency that refused to allow adoption by couples based on their religious beliefs or 'lifestyle' choice of Christianity, these would be the first people screaming bloody murder. As always, it's not only OKIYAR, but for these people it's OKIYAC.
Anti-Christian bigotry, my aching old ass, Gingrich.
Seems like all one's got to do is fart while walking past a church to get accused of this...
Here's a clue, Gingrich, I'm a Wiccan, as is my wife, and we're forced to keep our mouths shut around her school... not because we're supporting any establishment of religion, but because the kids would tell their fundy parents (quite the large number in El Paso), and the principal would end up having to let her go due to the number of false complaints that the teacher's a Satanist
So according to Gingrich, so-called Christian groups and individuals are free to shout everyone down in the public square, but it's anti-Christian bigotry to call out their falsehoods, their bigotry and their hypocrisy.
Kiss my ass and go somewhere where your pedantic, amoral, soulless self might feel more comfortable and where you might have a chance of being relevant. Rome, maybe? Kenosha, Wisconsin? Don't care... just leave... your days of having something to say were up years ago.
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Oh, you poor soul. You are such a victime. Religion sucks and so do you. Feck off!
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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Really? And this is a concern why??
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More to the point, it creates these problems HOW, exactly? I still don't understand why gay people getting married has any kind of impact on other marriages at all, or on how straight people raise their kids. What does it MATTER?
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Well, might be a problem because straight people keep having gay kids...
Just sayin'
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-- Thunder BlueRose
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Then maybe they should stop doing that.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I'm sure the Bachmann's have a way to "lay hands" on the belly containing the fetus and pray away the gay, but Minnesota's a pretty long damned drive for most folks...
/smile
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If it's such a problem for families, although I can't figure out how, since it'd be other people getting married, then the family probably needs to have a serious sitdown. For law? Why? And what laws? If the law permits same-gender marriage, then it's not a legal problem.
For the practice of religion? Whose, asshole? Mine's not threatened by it, and if yours is, then it's on a pretty shaky foundation. And education? Why? Because kids might just happen to have a schoolfriend who has two mommies or two daddies, and the kids will accept and really not have anything further to say... or that harassment of said schoolfriend will not be tolerated? That's a problem?
Damn, but I'm glad I didn't watch the debates... can't afford another bigscreen (bought it when I actually had a few bucks), and I'm sure I'd feel pretty stupid for shattering it with all the things I'd throw. Pissed off enough at these assholes as it is.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
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http://saxman.bravepages.com
Christianity as practiced by actual sane people does not suffer any problems when gays get married. I've had many Christian friends, even born-agains - hell, I was raised Catholic, myself - who have no problem at all with gay people getting married. Many of them think it's a GOOD thing. It's only a problem for bigoted, hateful cherry-picking pseudo-Christians like Gingrich, who think nothing about putting asunder what God hath brought together when they bloody well feel like it, but have apoplexy when somebody they don't like wants the privilege of taking part in what Gingrich sees as a private party.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I've got some pretty cool Anglican ebooks (study of world religions has always been a hobby of mine) that were put together by a lovely gay Anglican guy... and a couple he posted of the history of gay people in the church from day 1, and a few others... fascinating reads, and when I visited his website, apparently he's some form of deacon or some office, active in his church, apparently on great terms with his priest, happily married, and the two guys look really happy in their front page photo.
So, how does this threaten my straight marriage, my Wiccan faith, my common sense, or society in general? I just don't get it, have never got it and probably don't want to understand the mindset. Trying to get binary-thinking idiots to at least see some kind of reasoning just makes my brain itch.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
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Where can I get hold of these? Link to your friend's website?
I too have made a lifelong hobby of comparative religion. Nothing tells you more about a people's worldview and morality than the content of their religious beliefs. It's fascinating stuff.
Blessed Be! :)
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Actually they're posted on Memoware:
Here's the list of his contributions... his name is Daniel Francis - don't know where his personal website is now, as he's moved... I think I've got a link to the new one somewhere, but it's take a while to sort through all the gigabytes of crap I've accumulated!
Daniel Francis Memoware contributions
Haven't corresponded with him in about 10 years, but I recall he's a really neat guy and funny as hell!
And Blessed Be to you! Merry we meet, merry we part until we merrily meet again!
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
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Paul, I always like your comments, and I was happy a while back when you let Nicole Belle know that her condescending attitude towards astrology was offensive and based on a lack of knowledge about the system.
I have only one difference with you in your post above. I don't think Wicca really takes "faith", hence I do not refer to it as a "faith". Certainly not in the same sense that the Abrahamic religions require "faith" in metaphysical speculations.
As a matter of fact, that's why my own system tends to be an amalgam of Buddhism, Druidry, and things of that nature. Most of those do not require "faith".
I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning. - Aleister Crowley
I think astrology is quite fascinating. A dear friend of mine has her Masters in Astrology. They have course like that in the UK, where she studied.
I am not religious, but am interested in yoga from which basic tenets of Buddhism come.
far left loon >.<
that lost the picture in about half of the channels (including TeaNN and ABC) around Xmas. Still have sound, but it's been kinda nice not having the channels working, esp since I've missed two weeks of TeaNN. Yeah, I could probably just have management look at it, but it has kept my blood pressure down...
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for a religion that doesn't allow it's clergy to marry?
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -- Robert E. Howard
If you don't let me oppress you, then you are oppressing me. Your rights don't matter; only mine do.
their reasoning when they where crying about anti-bullying laws a few years ago.
thanks!
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Hey, you sanctimonious gay-obsessed conservative phony christian dick-bags, you know what I found to be an actual threat to my marriage?
My wife's breast cancer.
Yeah, I have to say facing that fucking shit, gays just for some reason don't seem to register on the ol' marriage threat-o-meter. You want to protect marriage? You want to protect families? How about fighting actual threats like cancer? Or poverty? Or lack of health care? How about you pricks just contribute something to humanity for once in your wretched lives?
You right-wing authoritarian thugs can go and fuck some shit up your twats.
How about fighting actual threats like cancer? Or poverty? Or lack of health care?
That would entail actually doing what Jesus said they should do.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
"Christians and heterosexuals used to have unquestioned dominance in this society...and we don't want to give that up!"
Please...the whole idea that marriage is something sacred is rather ridiculous anyway. Throughout most of human history, the primary foundation for marriage has been economics -- not religion! Even in this country, less than fifty years ago, a woman who wanted to be independent and have control of her own life was still viewed somewhat askance...because women were still essentially expected to trade their fertility and the exclusive right to their sexual favors to a man in exchange for financial support and security. In turn, men have used marriage as a means of forming alliances and acquiring property as well as ensuring that their property is eventually passed on to their own offspring. And considering the fact that Gingrich is a serial adulterer, he has a lot of nerve to be making any claims about the supposed sanctity of marriage!
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
Hell, marriage has only been sacred in Christianity for the last three hundred years or so. For the majority of their history, it was considered a rather low-class, not very holy thing to indulge in. Paul advocated marriage only for those who really, really couldn't avoid fucking everything in sight. Complete chastity was the ideal, not marriage. Certainly not childbearing, which was considered caving in to this "filthy" world. That's why the Church didn't even have a marriage ritual for centuries, leaving the whole distasteful business to the secular world.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
For centuries "marriage" was the purview of the nobility, in order to secure title, land and wealth for themselves and their male heirs. Even then "marriage" was more of an alliance than a "sacred bond". It wasn't until the Catholic Church decided to use "marriage" to their advantage by giving their "blessing" on the union/alliance.
For those who weren't of "noble birth", "marriage" really didn't come into play until 16th Century. Up until the Church decided it could control the commoners better through "marriage", men and women got together as their families allowed.
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Only moral cowards and hypocrites use persecution complexes as a cover for their smug and inauthentic form of "religion". So shove it, fat ass, because we're really tired of hearing that garbage. And the bigotry question does go both ways and what that means is that you should stop being a leading proponent of it.
Better yet, just drop out of public service for good, you already proved you are an amoral wretch with a messiah complex. We don't need any more reminders of your twisted and demented "vision" for America, which is to give old white men hegemony over the earth.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Actually, the Catholic Church wasn't "forced" to close its adoption services in Massachusetts. The Catholic Church CHOSE to close its adoption services rather than abide by the law.
Again, the Catholic Church made the choice to end its services rather than abide by the law within the District of Columbia.
I believe this has to do with the decision by the DHHS not renew a contract with a Catholic organization to provide medical services to women.
Notice also how Mr. Gingrich, a person who converted to Catholicism, is letting the world know how good of a Catholic he is. I guess he doesn't realize that Mr. Santorum is a Roman Catholic of the Opus Dei order.
I am sorry Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Romney, you can't use the "protection of religion" as a means to continue bigotry against gays and lesbians by denying gays and lesbians equal protection under the law.
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Zeitgeist is catching up to Christian misbeliefs. Slaves, mixed fibers, shell fish, women as property and many other crazy notions and horrid behaviors portrayed in the bible are no longer in vogue. Sex as sin and gay hating will just as surely pass.
Marriage probably won't even be around in a hundred years but these luddites insist on it as a platform for election. Meanwhile, at some point, 2,000 people in Texas will die of heat prostration during a week of 120F days but the prospect of this is nowhere to be found in their political dialog.
Huh, I wasn't aware the current marriage model has been around 3,000 years.
if these people are so concerned over who sleeps with who, why don't they just go fuck themselves?
Since when does one of of the world's first clearly secular governmental systems enshrine a "sacrament" of any kind?
who, so clearly, hasn't treated it as such in his personal life, had the guts to carry on so hypocritically about it?
and have a very selective reading of the 1st Amendment.
not all martyrs see divinity
Why? Because the Republicans say it creates problems, and so it must be fact. And as we well know, most of their followers are too ignorant to take 90 seconds and actually use their brains to question that which they hear.
It's just like the "Obama is going to take our guns away" crap. People who believe this can offer no proof...no proof whatsoever...yet they know it to be true because some talking head on TV or radio or the Internet said so.
...these guys all keep calling themselves "Christian" yet not a one of them acts even remotely like Jesus. Curious.
The Catholic Church should not get favored tax status if it cant follow federal law.
Lew
Fighting the Christian American Taliban daily.
Poor oppressed Christians in America. Almost makes me wanna weep.
far left loon >.<
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your name's Lebowski, Lebowski... and your wife is Bunny
...every day consumed with the issue of same sex marriage it's kind of surprising that his answer about gay adoption is so laughable. Oh, wait, no it's not; Santorum is a bigoted idiot, so why would we expect him to think things through.
He would have a federal law making marriage between a man and a woman only. States don't get the chance to make that decision for themselves, but then the issue of adoption is up to individual states. Let's say Bob and Carl adopt a child in a state where gay adoption is legal and then move to a state where gay adoption is not legal. What is the status of the parents and child? By crossing state lines do the parents suddenly lose parental rights; is the kid an orphan? Could child protective services step in and remove the child from the home of gay parents?
The great thing about this issue is that all of these bigots are doomed to losing the argument. In time, gay marriage is going to be the law of the land. Period. Eventually, I think many more churches and religions will soften their stances on homosexuality.
want to completely dismantle the Constitution which will, in essense, treat each state like a country and make us look like the European Union. Perhaps we can even do individual types of currency. These people truly are insane in that even with gay marriage, haveing a different status based on where you live makes no sense. Why don't we do that with heterosexual marriage, different laws in each state as we did for years with interracial marriage. Insane I tell you.
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Not exactly aimed at that walking sack of horse excrement Newt but at his fellow cardboard Catholic runnng mate Rick Santorum...but what goes for Rick applies equally well to the amateur paleoentologist standing next to him.....and as for the plutocratic cult follower of the resident of Planet Kobol.....
Anyways...... Dave The Sandman, evil moral relativist and baby eating desciple of Darwin, Versus Rick Santorum the supposedly good papist warrior for Jeebus and member of a semi-secretive group of self flagellants in a no holds barred hypocrite slapdown.
http://alstefanelli.wordpress.com/2012/01/07/...
Guess who is the better Catholic........and which one of us is a heretic?
Abhor the Whore my US chums....abhor the whore
Read the rant. Nicely done :)
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That's why I occasionally listen to Fox News, and read Fox Nation. It's a form of self Flagellation that does not leave blood stains on my good shirts. A lot less messy but just as painful.
what Newt thinks it means. Seems he's as much against the English language as he is fidelity in marriage.
Sanskrit is 10,000 years old but then we couldn't expect a bunch of grumpy old white men to recognize a myth when they peddle one.
Uh, fellas, I hate to break it to you but the great white myth in the sky is no longer an acceptable alternative to Viagra.
In case you didn't know that, either.
three or more women, but not all at once (that's Mormons).
LOL!
Perfect.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Newt really knows how to turn a phrase doesn't he? Both he and Michele Bachmann have a gay sibling. So they are either just pandering or really are bigots. As far as anti-Christian, that's definitely pandering. I'm an evangelical Christian and our church is in the process of training youth ministers to deal with gender and sexuality issues among teens. There are plenty of Christian bigots out there, but churches who actually think education and knowledge are a good thing, are dealing with reality. Besides with all the huge issues facing our country in the 21st Century (we aren't there yet), why are Republicans squabbling about what's going on in the living rooms, bedrooms and doctors' offices of American citizens? We don't have a theocracy.
Nowhere in the Christian New Testament says kill Gays or that their legal rights should be Violated.
To the Most part Jews moved away from much of God's Law to laws imposed by a KING. It was a Choice made thousands of years ago.
Donaldd
Fuck religion.
that Catholic adoption services, countrywide, are not required to close their doors because they won't accept gay couples as applicants? That freedom of religion works both ways. If an agency affiliated with a certain religion doesnt want to accept certain applicants that the government wants them to accept, then don't take government funds. Easy as that. This happened just recently in Illinois, and as a nominal Catholic, that was my reaction then, and it's my reaction now. No one is requiring you to accept gay couples unless you want the cash. So, don't take the cash. Then you can stand on your integrity. And shut up.
Roman Catholics?
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the time that they figured out that as women, they would always be second class in the RC Church. But, as in the movie, Brokback Mountain, it's hard to quit them.
...convenient formula these far right religious fanatics have working:
If you call out a religious fundie on his ignorant hate, then you are guilty of persecuting a Christian.
Remember the bullying laws they were against?
They are pro-bully because if you bully a gay, you might be a Christian who is simpy exercising your Christ-given right to bully fags.
If you tell a bully to knock it off, then you are potentially persecuting a Christian.
It's the same logic radical Muslims use to wage Jihad against the infidels.
When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in excess body fat & carrying a misspelled sign.
"3,000 years of human history shouldn't be discarded so quickly,"
Wow. The guy who believes it was right to toss the Biblical canon 150 years ago in order to add the Book of Mormon, is lecturing us about being faithful to 3,000 year-old traditions?
Oh, he's in good company. The fundies also invented within the past 150 years the homophobic interpretation of various passages of the canonic Bible. People have been writing Biblical commentary for thousands of years, but no one thought Geness or Leviticus were talking about homosexuality until the concept of "homosexuality" was invented 150 years ago.
They're all just off by a factor of 20. That's closer than these morons usually get.
But i AM against right wing Christian bigotry. In fact, i think it is downright anti-Christ.
So yes. I am anti Christian bigitry.
So if you call yourself Christian you have special rights and can't be asked certain things when you're running for the office of President of the United States of America? I thought Newt was against special rights for anyone.
"...Newt was against special rights for anyone but himself."
FIFY.
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So it IS OK to ask for funding to Planned Parenthood to be cut off because they ARE following the law. But NOT OK to cut off funds to groups who don't? Do I understand that correctly Newt?
Yes he is! This is pure Catholic-evangelical dogma: they are the only religions other than non-secular Islam holding such homophobic sentiments. After marrying and divorcing twice and hooking up with a Catholic Barbee doll, a manikin-like blonde with a $1,000 do and a half million account at Tiffany's, Newtie began to court the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in an effort to do some lobbying for them. Whether he donates his services or is paid a fee, the records will show that Gin Grich lobbies on the behalf of the Vatican. Part of this involves dumping on pro choicers and gays. (If the Vatican were against licorice candy, I am sure he would abandon his anti-nanny state attitude and insist that the Food people are not doing their job by banning the substance.)
But it was the setting for Gin Grich's remarks that blew me away. The other pols in the debate had finished stating their sentiments about gay marriage (they're all against it, including the libertarian, who is a Christian), and the moderator had gone on to another topic. When asked about that other topic, Gin Grich immediately stated he did not get to express his sentiments on the gay marriage issue. He then launched into a diatribe that included completely irrelevant claims of a war on Christianity. Pure Fox News bullshit. The stuff O'Reilly is paid millions to say each year, at least once or twice a month, and I think it probably was O'Reilly who invented the war on Christianity controversy in the first place. These people often use such nonsensical arguments that "Merry Christmas" is banned as a Yuletide saying, in favor of such secularism as "Happy Holidays." That's funny. We were using "Happy Holidays" when I was a child in the Fifties. Truth is, the Christians are persecuting secularlist people, not the other way around.
"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez
What Newt was talking about wasn't anti-christian. He wants Christians to define the morals and laws of this country. Everyone who doesn't agree with the "Christians" is a bigot.
I really like what Ghandi had to say about Christians.........
"I like your Christ but I don't like your Christians."
Separate but equal. The new civil rights war. Seriously are there a bunch of really gay people in a room who get a tax break?. I grew up in a broken christian family and it took a long time to get over it.
anti-Nazi bigotry for asking Hitler about his genocide of Jewish people?
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