Dorgan: Lieberman actions not acceptable for chairmanship
By David Sunday Nov 16, 2008 2:30pm
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Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) told Fox's Chris Wallace that Sen. Joe Lieberman's campaigning for the Republican president candidate and some Republican Senators was not acceptable behavior for a someone with a Democratic Chairmanship. "The question is, is that acceptable? The answer is no," said Dorgan
Dorgan said that Democrats will meet next week to vote on whether Lieberman will be allowed to keep his chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee.
Sen. John Kyl (R-AZ) told Chris Wallace that Republicans would welcome Lieberman into their caucus. Dorgan pointed out that Democrats have no intention of kicking Lieberman out of the Democratic caucus.
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like they regularly apply to joey LIEr's buttocks
Hartford Courant: "Secret Ballot To Decide Lieberman's Fate." Includes a Sad Statement by Harry Reid of His Own Ineffectiveness as a Dem Leader: "Joe Lieberman votes with me a lot more than a lot of my senators. He didn't support us on military stuff, and he didn't support us on Iraq stuff. But you look at his record, it's pretty good."
Near as I can recall the only votes they've had for the last 2 years have been military stuff and Iraq stuff.
So how much "help" has Joe Joey JoJo Shabadoo really been...?
The infuriating habit of democrats forgiving and forgetting aside, the much ballyhooed magic "60" number is really unattainable, even if they had 60 senators in their majority. As witnessed in the past 8 years there have always been democrats to defy party interests in their votes. Notably: Ben Nelson, Landrieu from Louisiana and a few others. A rock solid democratic firewall can not be obtained. Their are too many idealistic agendas and differing philosophies within the democratic party. There will always be a democrat to upset the apple cart in favor of his/her own agenda, regardless of the consequences, unfortunately.
This is a valid line of thought on this issue. I suppose it then comes down to Obama's abilities to forge an ironclad common unity in purpose so that he can count on every Democrat.
He DOES have a clear mandate and even a Landrieu and a Nelson cannot refute that. Do they want to spit in the voter's eyes and risk destabilizing Obama's efforts? That would land them firmly on the trash-heap of history. Smelly, rotten and reviled by their entire party and most of the country.
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No one would believe that a Senator with dual citizenship would retain control of an out-of-control Homeland Security committee, all the while ridiculing a party at whose whim he serves--a party of which he is not even a member. Here we are bailing out banks while Lieberman's neocon buddies are robbing us blind with no-bid security contracts. It is like the mafia asking for, "protection", money.
Sen. Kyl said:
Democrats really should heed these words. Traitor Joe is going to vote how he is going to vote, no matter what happens. Stop capitulating to his cry-baby tactics. There is nothing to gain.
At least, not from a public standpoint. I do wonder what we don't know about the Democrats' personal standpoints and Joe Lieberman. What do they really need/want him for? Even the likes of Dodd, Boxer and Feingold support the guy.
To the extent that the vote on whether to strip him of his chairmanship relies on more than the basic, public understanding, the Democrats owe us more than a secret ballot. They must seriously explain why they voted how they voted, and "so Joe won't try to sabotage us" cannot be an acceptable answer. He's going to do that anyway, and everyone knows it.
This, of course, makes it all the more disheartening that Dorgan apparently went on TV to give a long-winded "No Comment."
right?
BaScOmBe:
I'm talking to Dems. :)
I can't tell! :<[)
I've called and emailed and it's had the same effect - NOTHING!
Joe's going to banish himself to the minority caucus if he doesn't keep his chair. Yea, right. Call his bluff, strip him of his committee chair and give it to a real Democrat who didn't trash Obama and his fellow constituents. Another benefit is it would send a strong signal to other would be traitors within the party. Joe ain't going to bolt only because his self interest and own re-election prospects is better staying with the Democrats. If he does bolt, he goes down in defeat running as a Republican in Connecticut as we can put Ned Lamont or another Dem against him as he won't being running as an "independent". Win/win for our side either way. Strip him of Homeland Security.
OOPS! There is no 's' in democrat.
Who Says Lieberman Won't Make Amends?
The funniest thing about this Lieberman deal is that Harry Reid still has no idea why Congress' approval rating is even worse than Bush's.
he probably tapes all his own press conferences.
So long as we are clear about what he is: a Hypocrite.
In spite of what the President-elect has said, it's time for the Democratic Caucus to take the figurative dagger Holy Joe buried in Obama's back and return the favor.
Reclaim the moral high ground and dump the asshole, I'm begging you...
I'm begging you... too.
No way should Lieberman be able to dictate his terms for staying in the Demo caucus. Given his behavior he should be groveling to stay. But with 'Sternly Worded Letter' Reid in charge, it won't be Lieberman who is groveling.
has got to be replaced. My god, what the hell good is he? He will not even raise his voice let alone fight for what is right.
hummmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder what dennis would say. Anybody seen him hanging around?
Dorgan is for not only helping them stay afloat, but also trying to save jobs that support the auto industry.
Kyl is all for letting them file for Chapter 11 and reorganize like the airlines.
Kyl thinks that 'taxpayers' could some day recover money given to banks, but would never recover any given to the auto industry.
First of all, what taxpayers will be paying for that?
'Taxpayers' are currently not paying enough to keep the day-to-day operations going, hence the horrendous deficits.
Second, to what 'taxpayers' there are, republicans want to give the top earners, the millionaires, the company executives who raped the public another tax cut and/or making Bush's tax cuts permanent. Very little tax cuts, if any, given to the workers - that's the ones who will not lose their jobs and the ones who will lose their jobs not helping out the auto industry will pay no taxes and have no purchasing power to boot.
that thinks there is little difference between 58, 59 or 60 votes in the Senate? The Dems will either be able to pull over two or three Republicans or they won't and Joe Lieberman won't make that much of a difference if he decides to take his ball and go home. Let him go. The Dems are giving him too much power with all of this.
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Kick his ass out!
they should give him the boot,, what is he going to do, quite the party and run successfully as a republic leaning independent when he has to start running for his seat again 2 years? Nope.. This is Joe L's last term, let him sit it out on the other side of the isle.
wanker
that joe did absolutely nothing as the chair?
forget what he did on the campaign trail...he is too incompetent to hold the job
an incompetent employee should be fired
Lieberman shouldn't of had the chairmanship before he endorsed McCain. He should have lost all is power after leaving the democratic party to weasel himself back into office. Democratic voters did not re-elect him to the Senate, most of his votes in 2006 came from Republican voters. He got just enough democrats to put himself on top.
Are democrats afraid of looking anti-semitic or something? Why does Lieberman have so much power? The democrats never gave Zel Miller this much power.
True - 30% of Dems in CT did vote to allow Joe to slime back into his Senate seat. Of course, how much of his pledges did he keep once he got there? Lets see(paraphrasing), "I want to help elect Democrats and especially the next DEM president. Lamont would be a hinderance to that." "No one wants us out of Iraq more than I do".
Best news is that his poll numbers in CT are so low that he couldn't be reelected again. I pray that his numbers stay that for the next 4 yrs. Of course, Joe may try and run again anyway given his oversized ego.
Please go away Joe. Hey Pres-elect Obama, how about shipping Joe off to some distant land as a US Ambassador?
Joe was also the #1 cheerleader of the Iraq War (and still is). Is this the type of foreign policy leadership the Democrats want representing them?
He's said what has bee said before: Joe Lieberman will vote the way he votes regardless of party, as he has always done. Democrats gain nothing with him, and lose nothing without him.
I've never heard so many compliments for JL in one place before- they are going to flush that turd.
If Reid will not lead the way to oust Holy Joe from the Homeland Security Committee that Reid has got to go. I am sure there are more Senators who want Joe to be punished than who don't want Joe to be punished. Plus there is the extra added possibility that Holy Joe will bail out on the Democrats if he loses his chairmanship. We can only hope (I pretty much hate this guy as much as I hate Sarah Palin).
We need no "Human Animal Hybrid's".
He should not be in any high ranking Democratic position. He definitely should lose his chairmanship.
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