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In 1995, the federal government shut down because President Bill Clinton and the Republican Congress were not able to agree on a budget. With Republicans set to take back over the House in 2011, history could be repeating itself.

Eric Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House, refused to take a federal government shutdown off the table Sunday and said that President Barack Obama shares responsibility in running the government.

"The chief executive, the president, is as responsible as any in terms of running this government," Cantor told Fox News' Chris Wallace. "The president has a responsibility, as much or more so than Congress, to make sure that we are continuing to function in a way that the people want."

Think Progress noted:

A “shutdown” occurs when Congress fails to appropriate money to fund the federal agencies. As a result, nearly every federal employee is sent home, including the officials who cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid checks. In other words, by threatening a shutdown, Cantor is holding the incomes of millions of American seniors hostage unless Obama complies with his petty demands.

After Republicans won control of Congress in 1994, Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) engaged in a game of chicken with Clinton. The president refused to approve a budget with deep cuts and Gingrich refused raise the debt ceiling. During times of deficit spending, the debt ceiling must be raised to keep the government from going into default.

The standoff resulted in the federal government being shut down from November 14 through November 19, 1995 and from December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996. The public decided that Republicans had overplayed their hand and Clinton enjoyed his highest approval ratings since being elected.

Full transcript below the fold.

WALLACE: Alright, you say you want to make tough decisions. In your statement this week, in your governing document, you said you want to see a moratorium on earmarks. Why not make a tough decision and say earmarks dead, forever?

CANTOR: Well it is essentially a suspension for the entire Congress, this is what we're saying and I believe that that is necessary because earmarks are a symptom of a culture gone bad here in Washington and if we're unable to make the decisions on these things like earmarks we are certainly not going to have the credibility to make the big decisions on the kinds of cuts you're talking about or the ability for us to address entitlements.

WALLACE: You're also going to face a vote at least by May on whether or not to raise the debt ceiling for this country. And Republicans are currently planning to demand even further spending cuts from the president in return for raising the debt ceiling. If he refuses does that mean that you're willing to let this country go into default?

CANTOR: Look Chris, you know, a vote on either side of the issue of debt limit ceilings increase has serious consequences, okay? Before we even get to that vote we're going to have at least three or four months to demonstrate that this is going to be a cost cutting Congress. We're going to get spending under control. We cannot sit here and continue the path that we've been on for the last twenty months and beyond continuing to spend money don't have. So our job will hopefully be about, for the next three to four months is to make sure that we do demonstrate our commitment to fiscal discipline which has been sorely lacking here of late.

WALLACE: Fair enough, but I think it's fair to say that the last time that Republicans took control of Congress was in 1995, the Gingrich Congress, they got in trouble by over-stepping and they got – and you can argue who caused it – but the result was a government shutdown and Republicans got blamed. So let me ask you, because some people would say that's – that would be a way for the Obama White House to show that you guys are too extreme. Are you willing to say right now we’re not going to let the country go into default, and we won’t allow a government shutdown?

CANTOR: Look Chris, well look at this now. The chief executive, the president, is as responsible as any in terms of running this government. The president's got a responsibility, as much or more so than Congress, to make sure that we are continuing to function in a way that the people want.

So instead of saying this is going to be a Congressional test one way or the other. I look at this and say look, this president has certainly seen his own words a shellacking by the voters. They're looking at him to try and come to the middle and set aside this extreme agenda that he's been about that has killed jobs and created the most uncertainty that businesses can even remember.

It is time for him to try and come meet us and say fine, let's get back to the kind of things that Americans are about; that is living within our means, it is making the tough decisions so that we can see America prosper and lead again.

WALLACE: So you're saying, to flip it around if there were to be a default on the debt or a government shutdown it's his responsibility not yours?

CANTOR: Well what I would say Chris is it's as much of his responsibility, in fact he is the one who sets the agenda as the chief executive and as the president of this country. Congressional role is to look to and account for expenditures that have been made and make sure that his administration is following through on the mission and the will of the people. And right now what people are asking us to do is to make sure that his administration through the bureaucracy is doing that which they were unable to do in the legislative body in Congress.

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MountainMan23's picture

Maybe Obama will grow a pair.

Who knows, it could happen!


When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?

Not soon enough!

will instead move to the center and agree to the shut down of half of the government.

Rich H's picture

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lm945's picture

Given Obama's track record, I wouldn't count on it.

He'll cave. Just as he caved on every other issue.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

The President is working out his deal for political asylum in India.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Rich H's picture

Crawford that offered political asylum.

ysbaddaden's picture
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Given Obama's track record lm945 — 11/8/10 10:22am Given Obama's track record, I wouldn't count on it.

He'll cave. Just as he caved on every other issue.
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Libertad1776's picture

I'm all for it.
Let it burn.

Mike The Riverine's picture

I agree.

Shut down the government, cut off the checks to the retirees (like me) and watch while Washington is burned down by seniors carrying pitchforks and torches.
These Republican/Tea Party dumb bastards think they were were the insurgents, just wait until the Geritol and Prune Juice brigade shows up to ride them out on a rail.

I just hope they bring down the real cause of it all, Fox News and Rupert Murdoch. Perhaps they'll finally figure out who the enemy was all along.


Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years

CafeenMan's picture

They should know already, Mike. That they don't doesn't make me think they will get a clue any time soon no matter what happens. They'll march on the white house and blame Obama.

Mike The Riverine's picture

You're probably right, CafeenMan. And Fox News and assholes like Breitbart will convince them it was all Obama's fault.

There's a word for this -- it's called propaganda. Specifically contrived lies, repeated over and over until they all take on the mindset of Pavlov's dogs.


Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years

ysbaddaden's picture
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus

David762's picture

Shut it down. Shut it all down.

If We the People of the USA must be subjected to a tyrannical police state based upon a mountain of lies, propaganda, and false flag operations then by all means, shut it ALL down. IMHO, it would be better to have our Big Brother be as small and ineffective as possible, stalled over a budget logjam, than to be large, powerful, and efficient. Large, powerful, and efficient are characteristics that describe what war-time Nazi Germany's fascist government was. Who knows, a long government shutdown might even lead to an early end to the conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, and elsewhere TBD.


"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy

Liberal AND Proud's picture

I agree with the Jewish evangelical. SHUT IT DOWN!


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

ysbaddaden's picture
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And it cost them at the 1996 mid-terms.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

the general. I must not have been paying attention.


"That's fu*#ing retarded."
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fiver's picture

We've heard this song before.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

1998 midterms.

It's been waaay to busy at work for my usual slipping in and out here.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

BigD145's picture

So, can we bring back the troops from overseas yet? They're Federal employees.

Blue Lensman's picture

Apparently..

ricky's picture

Nothing should be off the table. They are showing us how it should be done.

Of course one has to presume table space is adequate in advance.


"That's fu*#ing retarded."
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savannah43's picture

If they do it, it will be all their fault when the whole country tanks. Do it, do it, do it. Please do it.

derekthered's picture

no doubt the debt is a problem and something has to be done, but cantors lying doesn't help. gems like this, "We cannot sit here and continue the path that we've been on for the last twenty months and beyond continuing to spend money don't have." he does parse a little bit, but this deficit spending started in earnest under reagan, continued under 41, and exploded with the shrub, cantor is a flim-flam man.

and then the bit about " this extreme agenda that he's been about that has killed jobs and created the most uncertainty that businesses can even remember." what a friggin liar, the free movement of capital across borders is what has killed jobs, he knows it, we all know it.

all this is ancient history, but you know what they say about forgetting the mistakes of the past. this is the spin, throw a monkey wrench in the works, and then blame the president. it is congresses responsibility to set budget prioritties, the imperial presidency has not worked out, no matter who is in office.

all this begs the point, our country will not recover until we start producing value -added products, talk about anything else is pure bunk. a country cannot run trade deficits in perpetuity, you will go broke. the country knows that big business has sold us down the river in pursuit of cheap labor, they are ready to hear it everyday of the week; the fact that this is not being hammered everyday of the week is the democrats failure.

Amitola's picture

its' not the gov't spending, per se, that's the problem - it's the Greed of the corpora-fascists/banksters
who've rigged the system so they only take out....not pay in their fair share. If we re-regulated business, changed the Tax code and ensured everyone paid appropriately (no freakin' loopholes) and stopped spending trillions on stupid, imperial wars, we could re-create America.

When the folks start to bring out the pitchfork and torches - I hope they go to congress and to the headquarters of every mega-corp on the planet!!


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drshatterhand's picture

We weren't involved in endless war the last time. Why do republicans hate the troops? I doubt any dem is ballsy enough to take this tact, though.

Rich H's picture

they just hate taxes. Their poor little brains can't make the connection.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

They love the troops who fight them here, there and everywhere. So long as they don't have to.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

dsmith's picture

Cantor wants us to reduce spending on things like health insurance reform so that we can start another war. He is jusst itching for the US to bomb Iran...a move that would send oil prices into the three hundred dollar per barrel range.But hey! A small price to pay in order to attack a nation that poses no threat to us.

His latest brainstrom, which he announced last week, was to not put Israeli foregin aid up to be voted on each year, but rather just include it IN the budget, like we do any other American agency. This guy will put Israel ahead of US interest everytime.


don smith

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Cantor is channeling his inner-Lieberman.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Peter G's picture

putting their balls on the table and seeing who can run that table. Sounds a little painful. May the best bank shot win.


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mymy's picture

Republicans have enriched bankers all over the world with their credo of 'borrow and spend' rather than pay as you go 'tax and spend.'

Self-taxation is the core of democracy: you tax yourselves via your elected representatives so you don't have to pay tribute to barons and other powers.

The Republicans sold this nation out years ago to international bankers.


MyMy

slappy magoo's picture

The problem with insisting, as the Republicans always do, the Dems hate America and want it to fail and therefore none of their policies should ever be passed, is that this put them on the "Party of No" path, where anything Obama is for, they must be against. If you're constantly telling your base there can be no compromise, then you have to act extreme on every single issue, whether it's food for poor children in school, a refusal to let the government work with companies that won't allow their employees to seek criminal investigations if they've been raped by coworkers, affordable health care that is awfully similar to a plan they used to champion, cap-and-trade in a plan awfully similar to one they used to champion.

But now, we have a media that's moved SO far to the right, while the GOP still insists that there is a pervasive and persuasive liberal media that is lying to the American people about their agenda. And enough people are swallowing this alternate reality...us smarty-pants libs like to compare the current state of affairs to Idiocracy. I think it's more like Lord of the Flies. Rationality, compassion and reason has no place in the worldview of so many people, especially because they think they ARE being reasonable, it's just that you are the enemy and must be stopped.

savannah43's picture

adopted by the Teabaggers and will ruin the GOP. I can't wait. I love how short-sighted they really are. Just keep letting Rove run you, and before too long ALL of your integrity will be gone. Wait a minute--it already is all gone. Mission Accomplished!

Seenya's picture

You know in my book this is nothing more than a bully baderging a kid for his lunch money!! And...how can shutting down the government be a good thing for the people??? I thought the repubs told Fox news they would help the people???!!!

FloydGeorge104's picture

Yes, I would say he needs to get pissed and show it,BUT, how about the Dems out there who could NOT be bothered to justy go and VOTE!!! thanks Dems, you have done it again. what is your memeroy as long as your dick???? Now We have to put up with the repug SHIT for 2 years. People of the US are just, ??? WTF. I guess when the repugs strip you of the health care, strip you of SS, no more unemployment,no more medacare, no more of anything. will you then see just what the repugs stand for. If you are not rich and can't give me(repugs) thousands of dollars, fuck-off and die.

mnich13's picture

It's not up to the President to establish the budget. He can make recommendations, but Congress has the job of coming up with the actual numbers. Obama can veto, so they're saying that they assume he'll veto whatever they come up with?

I guess they're also assuming they won't be able to make their case to the all-important American People as to why their budget is perfectly reasonable and Obama's assumed veto is not.

Poor babies. I feel so sorry for them.

Fish's picture

will be more than happy when their Social Security check does not come in the mail. Republicans are heartless bastards who would cut off the unemployed, senior citizens and government workers etc.


Republicans are liars and simply cannot be trusted.

Liberal AND Proud's picture

Now do you understand why you let the GOP do what they want.

They like to SAY they fight for the people. Make them prove it.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

angryspittle's picture

GOP philosophy:

I got mine, F.U.

lm945's picture

Cantor is like the wife beater, who claims it's his wife's fault for getting in the way of his fist.

Captain Kangaroo's picture

Cantor says "Hire Pelosi" I say "shut down the government."

nkd's picture

Obama will undoubtly capitulate. I wish he would stick up for the little guy, but I have come to believe that he will not.

NavSpecWarVet's picture

I saw this motherfucker on the Today Show the other day. He is so full of shit. He goes on and on about the government this and the government that. I remarked to my wife, "This son of a bitch is the government!"

In an interview published over the weekend with the Wall Street Journal, Paul signaled a major backtrack on a core campaign promise: cutting federal earmarks. The promise is a hallmark of Republican candidates of all stripes, who advocate that a smaller government is in the national interest and that money doled out for special progress is tantamount to backroom dealing.

I got the power!

NavSpecWarVet's picture

One man's Earmark is another man's vital Community Project! These lyin' pricks are just proving the same old shit. Say anything, get elected, then go back to business as usual. Repeat every two years because the average American has the memory of a lab rat.

The Political Junkie's picture

that said the Republicans needed to learn their lesson when they got turned out in 2008.

So, the best way to learn the Newt Gingrich lesson is TO REPEAT IT.

Way to go, Cantor. And the Rethugs who voted them in, not to mention the Democrats who stayed at home, enjoy the holidays cause after Congress reconvenes in January, no more checks...

Mike in Milwaukee's picture

A “shutdown” occurs when Congress fails to appropriate money to fund the federal agencies. As a result, nearly every federal employee is sent home, including the officials who cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid checks. In other words, by threatening a shutdown, Cantor is holding the incomes of millions of American seniors hostage unless Obama complies with his petty demands.

I triple dog dare you!!!

angryspittle's picture

This fucking idiot just isn't veery fucking smart. I have followed him for some time now and he has clearly shown that he doesn't have the brains God gave a fork.

albabe's picture

He sounds like a pansy-ass version of Huckleberry Hound... No offense to the real Huck.


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mudshark's picture

Shut down the govt. Hey Eric, ask Newt. He'll tell ya all about it.
Please, do shut down the govt.


What is your conceptual, continuity?

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