Why I Hate Barack Obama! Pastor Steven Anderson Sermon
By CSPANJunkie Saturday Aug 29, 2009 2:30pm
August 29 2009 CNN
(Heather): Well, it looks like the Secret Service has paid someone a visit. Good. That's the least they should be doing.
SANCHEZ: All right. Hello again, everybody. I'm Rick Sanchez with the next generation of news. This is a conversation. It is not a speech. And it is your turn to get involved.
It is my duty as a journalist to make you aware of a deeply disturbing trend taking that is taking place in our country and how it ironically folds into yet another story that I shared with you just last week.
A CNN source with very close to the U.S. Secret Service confirmed to me today that threats on the life of the president of the United States have now risen by as much as 400 percent since his inauguration, 400 percent death threats against Barack Obama -- quote -- "in this environment" go far beyond anything the Secret Service has seen with any other president.
Now, I need to have you keep in mind today as we add details to this story of what we're going to share with you here. I want to take you back 11 days ago, when Mr. Obama visited Phoenix, Arizona. Do you remember this man? He's one of a dozen or so people who carried guns to that presidential event that we have been checking on.
You may remember that we heard him say on camera that he is prepared to resort to forceful resistance against the Obama administration. Now, today, I want to tell you about the church that that man attends. And, in particular, I am going to play for you parts of the sermon that were delivered from the pulpit on the very day before the president arrived in Phoenix, Arizona.
This is important. This, my friends, I believe you will agree, is chilling.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PASTOR STEVEN ANDERSON, FAITHFUL WORD BAPTIST CHURCH: Tonight, I want to preach this sermon. And you have probably never heard a sermon like this before. Actually, you probably have if you have been coming to church here for a while. But you know what? Here is my sermon, why I hate Barack Obama. That's my sermon tonight, because Barack Obama is coming to town tomorrow morning.
Barack Obama is coming to town. And he is going to be here tomorrow morning. Who knew that he was coming to town? I didn't know. I just found out recently with his health care and everything like this.
And I'm going to tell you something. I hate Barack Obama. You say, well, you just mean you don't like what he stands for. No, I hate the person. Oh, you mean you just don't like his policies. No, I hate him.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
SANCHEZ: There is more and it is much worse. First, I want you to know the voice you heard there was that of Pastor Steven Anderson of the Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. On the day before the president's visit, Mr. Anderson told his parishioners that he hates Barack Obama and wants him dead. This was Anderson from the pulpit saying the president deserves to die for supporting abortion rights. That is what he means when he uses the word violence. All right. Here is some more.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
ANDERSON: What goes around comes around. You love violence. You hate that which is right. You love to harm others. You love to hurt or kill the unborn or the innocent or the righteous. He is saying, God is going to bring that upon your own head, because whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Now, turn back to Psalm 58 and let me ask you this question. Why should Barack Obama melt like a snail? Why should Barack Obama die like the untimely birth of a woman? Why should his children be fatherless and his wife a widow, as we read in this passage?
Well, I will tell you why. Because, since Barack Obama thinks it is OK to use a salty solution, right, to abort the unborn, because that's how abortions are done, my friend, using salt -- and I would like to see Barack Obama melt like a snail tonight.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
SANCHEZ: Joining me from New York, a man who used to work for the U.S. Secret Service. He is Scott Alswang. He personally guarded Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush.
Thank you, sir, for being with us.
SCOTT ALSWANG, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Thank you, Rick.
SANCHEZ: We are also going to be joined by Mike Brooks, who is standing right here next to me who has been digging down on this story.
Mike, thank you for being here.
MIKE BROOKS, CNN SECURITY ANALYST: Sure.
SANCHEZ: This looks serious. This almost looks like this is coming to the point where we are even beyond maybe where this nation was on November 22 of 1963, when JFK was assassinated, when there was also an environment of hate in this country. When you hear that, what are your thoughts?
ALSWANG: Well, I'm confident that my former organization, the Secret Service, is doing everything they can to keep the president and his family safe. There are a lot of people that like attention in these cases.
SANCHEZ: What about this case? Do you know if the Secret Service has knocked on this pastor's door? Should they be knocking on this pastor's door?
ALSWANG: I am confident that they have already knocked on his door, that through counterpart means in local and state and federal authorities, that this has come to be explained to. And for the media to bring it out, I definitely think that it has come to their attention.
SANCHEZ: Mike, were you going to add something to that?
BROOKS: No, no, I have been talking to some folks. And he has been interviewed by the U.S. Secret Service.
But, boy, he walks the fine line. And, Scott, you will agree with me. I was with the Metropolitan Police who worked on the presidential and vice presidential details when I was there for 26 years. And I can tell you, we used to run into people like this all the time, who knew how to walk that fine line without making a direct threat. And that's what he did...
(CROSSTALK)
SANCHEZ: Well, hold on a minute. Here is Statute 18, U.S. Code, Section 871. We looked it up today, about threatening the president of the United States.
It is against the law to do so, as I'm sure you both know and I am just recently becoming expert on.
(CROSSTALK)
SANCHEZ: Let me read you the quote: "Whoever knowingly and willfully threatening to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the president of the United States." That's the way we were able to decipher those words.
It sounds like both of you are saying that this man directly is not doing that. Is that right, Mr. Alswang?
ALSWANG: He is walking a fine line. The problem I have with it is that he seems to be inciting his congregation to go and act in a direction toward the president. And that, at least on a local level, would seem to me to be an inciting charge. And if someone in that congregation had mental disabilities or were prone toward violence or had a direction of interest toward the president or his family, there could be grave consequences.
SANCHEZ: Well, that's interesting. Let me show the viewers something.
Do we have that shot of Chris? Chris is the guy, Chris Broughton. It's taken us a long time to dig down and find out who this guy is. Chris Broughton is that gentleman who had an AR-14, right, Mike?
BROOKS: AR-15 type weapon.
SANCHEZ: AR-15, sorry. There he is right there.
He is outside where the president was speaking. We have found out that Chris was actually in attendance when that sermon was given on the eve of the president's arrival. Now, let's listen to just a little bit more of that sermon, as we consider that chilling thought.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
ANDERSON: You are going to tell me that I'm supposed to pray for the socialist devil, murderer, infanticide who wants to see young children and he wants to see babies killed through abortion and partial-birth (INAUDIBLE) everything? You are going to tell me I am supposed to pray for God to give him a good lunch tomorrow while he's in Phoenix, Arizona?
No. I am not going to pray for his good. I am going to pray that he dies and goes to hell.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
SANCHEZ: And, by the way, I should add once again that I have reached out to the pastor today. He has agreed that he will join us, he will talk to me on this show, most likely over either the weekend or Monday, was not able to do so today, because we want to reach out to him.
It's interesting as you listen to the last words there. Let me read those back to you. "I am going to pray for his good" -- "I'm not going to pray for his good. I am going to pray that he dies and goes to hell."
Again, most of us law-abiding Americans listen to those words and we start to get worried for our president, whether he is a Democrat or a Republican or what he is.
What is Secret Service's responsibility with people like this? And what are your concerns?
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saw this coming.
saw this coming as well.
this racist ba$tard lives to be very old , very alone, and persecuted for these very words to his slow, painful death!
With a beautiful female gay Doctor and an African American PA or nurse!
Sorry had to get this off my chest! but I will still pray for it!
upon ANY African American?
They have enough shite with which to deal.
This is the type of individual who would spite those who would try to help him.
we may as well use it. Invoke the Patriot Act. Domestic terrorism deserves it.
Steven Anderson is a Pastor of What Hate Group.... Anderson is certainly not a follower of the bible or teaching of Jesus Christ...
These people sound as if they have come straight out of the gates of H.ll.
of the extreme fundamentist wing of the baptist church. I am sure mainstream baptists are offended by this racist nutcase, but he does demonstrate the dangerousness of fundmentalism that preaches certainty above truth. Sadly, a lot of the fundamentalists, particularly from the south are easily molded into believing anything and are discouraged from independent thought when it comes to faith. As a result, you get some pretty crazy theology that bears little resemblence to mainstream Christianity.
As soon as they get that ring through their nose - which usually put there by the church they belong to -- then ANYONE can lead them around with it - be it re=Thugs, "pastors", or other incendiary persons.
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I mean...any preacher who has the title of his sermon have the words 'I hate' in it is clearly not a man of God.
boy as well. More tempting to him, I think.
but to join you and do the same.
He will thrive and be happy. It's another country, not my own.
Great comeback Jimmi. I actually knew a few people (white) who said the only reason they wouldn't vote for Obama was because they feared assassination and were concerned for his children. I thought that was so wrong because he knows the danger just as MLK knew his every day of his short life. Because of these facts, it makes him a brave man.
the same way Ghandi was, simply by refusing to live in fear. That's the biggest problem with our society currently (IMHO), that most of us have been spiritually frightened to death.
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hatred, hatred leads to suffering and suffering leads to the dark side" - Jedi Master Yoda
We're seeing the results of the first 2, and moving rapidly into the 3rd. I blame Darth Grouchy (Former VP 'Dick' Cheney) and Darth Fecund his apprentice (Rove).
Mainstream Propaganda Media. They are complicit in how this hate is spread. We wouldn't have many of these problems if the media was doing it's job.
I don't remember the media giving these scumsuckers a national platform back in the sixties and seventies.
They were ignored, which kept the crazies marginalised to a large degree.
Racism isn't an emotion. It's taught. It's handed down by generations and the MSM. When you watch COPS on FOX (Big surprise) who are the people you see? African Americans, Latinos. Every now and then you'll get some white trailer trash but it's mostly minorities they show. BUT, when you watch Girls Gone Wild who do you see. Rich white girls on vacation in Cancun showing their assets. But GGW is a good thing, right?
...training videos.
Wanna get away from the police? Well, here are some of the things that were unsuccessful in the past...don't make the same mistakes!
Notice the statistics for actual evasions are much higher than for filmed/aired evasions...
carefully. Most MSM is owned by corporations that want to cause strife to keep the spotlight off themselves. Divide and conquer. Seems to work every time. If people do not hear both sides of an argument, they are likely to believe the one side that they do hear is correct. We must put out the truth. Or at least our version of it. We still haven't seen the final bill on health reform.
and now they're going to bring this hate monger onto teevee and let him cast his hate over cable news land? all for ratings i guess...
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Yoda could sure wield a mean light saber and kick ass.
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would definitely approve, but would wonder why you aren't also requesting an AR15, or a Glock with and outside-carry leg holster to go with as well. In honour of His birth and all.
Unless that is you already own this shit. :P lol
Right?
have a problem with it.
"But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
...were not pacifists. The Jedi were all about the calm, but could put much boot to arse in the defense of others, themselves and the persuit of evil (Sith).
Yoda would caution you to remain calm and focus your energies towards your task. Then go all frogwithalightsaberinablender on the baddies.
He even led troops into battle in Episode 3.
Pardon my geekdom and please return to your regularly scheduled debating.
You'll see your fear level plummt. As the Cajun cook said, "I gua-rron-tee!"
Well said and absolutely true!
Great movie about living in fear and eating as much as you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF897aNyxSs
You missed the point. Even GWBoosh2, who let a city die, did not get this treatment. I am happy that white people saw this coming and are not excusing it, just as white people stood an listened to MLKing 46 years ago.
Keep a perspective and dont think of the expression of the Bkacl American Experience as antagonistic. Maybe my interpretation of the statement is that we are on the sames side, which is how I took it to mean.
There was a time when white and black both said, "Right on, Brother" and meant it. If that feeling is returning, then it's about time.
right on, brother.
is a victim of rectalcephalic inversion.
Full Sermon here. Prepare yourself...
FWIW:
Here's the pastor's blog
And here's his wife's blog.
There have apparently been recent legal issues involving an incident where the pastor was Tasered at a border patrol checkpoint while refusing to be searched w/o a warrant (his account).
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Also, here's a video of his own account of his arrest.
What's especially interesting is that he rails against torture. He also goes after the Republicans for not being right-wing enough. In fact, he rips the hell out of them.
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One other observation:
You'd think as much as he hates Obama for wanting to provide health care to all, he himself would have excellent health insurance.
Turns out Pastor Anderson doesn't have ANY. (or at least didn't when arrested. see page 2 of police report)
here's another site he registered/owns: http://www.truebornsons.com.
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Actually, him not having health insurance and hating Obama for wanting to provide it to everyone sort of makes a strange kind of sense. Which makes all the rest of the crazy even that much nuttier. When your trademark is inconsistency, and on one issue you're consistent, then . . . oh crap, I give up.
imagine if he were gay!!!
Steven anderson, (the self loathing gay bashing closeted homosexual) has ONLY hatred to offer...why ANYONE would join his cult is beyond me....With him voicing desire for Obama's death- I hope Secret service puts him and his congregation under a microscope...
it's high time we tax these christ-cult churches out of existance...
Seems to me that at the very least, this so called "Church" should lose it's tax exempt status uh... like yesterday.
Anderson: "What goes around come around, you like violence? God is gonna bring that upon your own head!"
And he did! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzd7G875Hc Baby Jesus knows what he's doing! He sent his angels to smite the devil Anderson! Praise Jesus!
Now that's some poetic justice if you ask me. These hate mongers are a parasite on our country.
Poetic justice would be more than a light beating.
two Hispanics, Diaz and Gomez, and a Griffith of unknown color.
It was the 3 wise men Jesus sent to kick his ass.
Belly laugh from me.
with the police was disgusting.
His politics are disgusting.
His rights, and yours and mine are, sacred.
WTF is wrong with us?
His right to be ignorant, hateful and a colossal asshole are undisputed.
I didn't see any stitches. Or any bandages. He couldn't wash his own face? If they Tasered him in the forehead, I will pay to see the video of it.
tasered in the forehead, that I know of anyway they usually aim for the body. He received 11 stitches according to the police report. Which the injuries were supposedly obtained from broken glass.
They tasered him on his body through a hole they'd punched through the window glass. He covered his face and they dragged him to the ground and he cut his face on all the shattered glass around him
He had 11 stitches, but they were in three different places, not 11 for one cut.
That's all from the police report + his account, linked above.
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CHILLING? No, unamerican lunacy.
If I were a republican, I'd hate to be in America when Obama is murdered and Biden takes over the Presidency.
He is going to interview this thug? Anything for ratings I guess.
I don't think giving this arsehole any more air time is going to help anything regardless of wither you call it "reaching out" or not.
Most of them encourage the nuts, especially on CNN, and people like Scarborough and Matthews on MSNBC. (I don't watch Faux at all).
would heartily defend this criminal.
If I were this pastor I'd be careful. That's all I'm going to say. Except that impecatory prayers work both ways. Should I pray for the death of him or even his family?
The gospel of jesus who I think talked about turning the other cheek? Of loving thy neighbor, not killing,coveting,stealing, none of the things this guy was saying. I think he proves what I have been saying for a long time, republicanism is a mental illness.
This guy should be in a mental hospital, in a padded room, with soft music.
WOW!
When have you ever seen one of these fundie lunatics give the slightest credence to anything Jesus ever said? They're not interested in Jesus. There have been pastors THROWN OUT of their churches because they tried to preach what Jesus said. None of these selfish, hateful people want to hear about taking care of the poor, sacrificing one's comfort, or any other commie stuff like that. ESPECIALLY turning the other cheek. These insane fundies were the FIRST ONES calling for widespread bloodshed after 9/11. They were ready for us to slaughter anyone who didn't "look right" to them.
Turning the other cheek? Don't make me laugh.
Fundamentalist Christians argue that only worship of Jesus, and NOT good deeds gets you into heaven.
So the serial killer that worships Jesus goes to heaven, and the charitable, giving athiest burns in hell.
Thats why they right wing Christians oppose efforts to help the poor- they see good deeds as a sin- the feel rather than helping others, we all must worship Jesus as a GOD, or spend an eternity in the fires of Hell..
Domestic terrorism by religious fundamentalists.
These so-called christians are the most dangerous of all.
It's mindboggling that Anderson can say such things and get away with it.
I fear for Obama's safety and I fear for your country.
Several thousand of us were wondering if we could sleep on your couch until we get settled....
Plus, I have a spare bedroom and a big backyard!
;)
She's small, and very cute and funny.
Certainly you may bring her with you.
Is her name Stella? I remember you mentioning her in the past.
:)
Hypocrites? ------------ YES
Racists? --------------- YES
Bat-Shit Crazy? --------- YES
Domestic Terrorists? ----- YES
Violent Anarchists? ------ YES
Christians? ------------- NO WAY
If Jesus of Nazareth were to walk the streets of America today, he would be labeled as a Socialist, Communist Nazi, wrapped in barbed wire, stabbed, shot, tortured and burned at the stake by the likes of these so-called Christians.
Why, oh why aren't these dangerous RethugliKKKlan nut-cases serving for an indeterminate period of time behind barbed wire at Guantanemo Bay Cuba as "enemy combatant" domestic terrorists? -- we DO have laws against these types of people, thanks to US Patriot Act (I & II) and the Military Commissions Act (thanks to the BushCo Crime Family) ...
Attorney General Eric Holder, do your duty!
only works on Dems and Progressives. ReThugs are immune.
Spot on the money noah. This is exactly what it is. And they seem to be proud of it....suddenly....to be a terrorist....who wooda thunk it? Ya, I know, me too.
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a report on here yesterday about a Repub Senator PRAISING some asshole who called himself a terrorist. How sick is that?
having to pay taxes, and churches are tax exempt. In most of their white supremacist "literature," cheating the IRS is discussed, as are methods for doing so. We may have a host of new "reverends" coming up, or more groups like "The Family." Honor and charity are not traits cultivated by these people.
And don't forget....
That run on the gun shops for weapons and ammunition immediately following Obama's election?
That was just good, decent American's exercising their 2nd amendment rights. Absolutely nothing else was going on there...
Exactly as there was nothing else going on with the AR-15 packer outside Obama's townhall.
IMHO, it is time for all the liberal progressives to start "stocking up" as well. (I AM!) The 2nd Amendment wasn't meant for just the bat-shit crazy RethugliKKKlans, you know.
When it comes to a real and growing threat to domestic tranquility, the choices are: FLIGHT, or FIGHT. Flight to Mexico? Sorry, already too violent, and way too hot. Flight to Canada? Their immigration point system leaves me in the lurch. What the hell -- I'm a cantankerous old socialist fart that no longer has the "legs" for Flight -- might just as well be a spectator on the 50 yard line,, and when the shite hits the fan, make these Fascist Racist Anarchist KKKristians pay dearly for my demise.
Just saying ...
about these idiots: their complete and utter hypocrisy. They think of themselves as patriots, but they don't have the BALLS to say out loud what they intend. It's all about their rights, never about their racism and fear and hatred. Among themselves, they talk sedition and treason, but to the world they act innocent, as if there's something even remotely sane or normal about buying a bunch of weapons and hunkering down like wolves in a den.
Insanity. That's all it is. They're dangerous lunatics, every one of them.
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
Matthew 6:5-6
I think it is clear that this man is a hypocrite, according to the words of the very Jesus he claims to endorse.
is just a hood ornament to these guys. They never have and never will pay the slightest attention to him.
The fact that they don't get struck by lightning every damn time they open their mouths is proof to me that the poor Carpenter was NOT the god they claim him to be. He was just a guy trying to get people to be decent to each other for a change.
Perhaps. But when these 'men of the cloth' so obviously disregard the teachings of their Holy Man, there may actually be a mechanism within the Baptist Church to defrock them. And this passage from Matthew seems better than any.
Secret Service needs to put a stop to threats like these. I see the same tactics being used my the anti-abortion crowd to recruit their violent element.
the SS needs to publically arrest these nutjobs. Forget the fear of god,,,, they need to feel the wrath of the man.
why are we calling it a sermon? This was blatant hate speech to incite the followers.
Hate speech is protected in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#Unit...
How very christian of this rev.
There has to be some sane Christians in this country who'll denounce this nut case.
..as far as I know.
is looking for anyone, either.
Sane Christian? Name three.
of sane Christians, if you take the word "Christian" in its original meaning. If, on the other hand, you mean these crazy fundie Baptists, then that's something else. But I refuse to limit the word "Christian" just to the lunatic fringe. That would be like saying all leftists are jagoff nutcases just because the nitwits in PETA don't know how to behave in a civilized manner.
And I'm not just talking to non-Christians, here. Christians, too. Don't let the right wing define what is or is not Christian. Stand up to these wackos and expose them for the bible-idolaters that they are.
Can't remember who, but someone here said the other day that people like that shouldn't even be called Christians, since they neither follow nor preach the teachings of Jesus. The word that was suggested for them was Leviticans. I think that's quite apt.
the article describing this man gave a very interesting account of his run in with the Border patrol and his other behavior towards other police officers. Apparently he posted it on utube as well.
In January he confronted a police officer at Sky Harbor Airport.
This man seems to be a few bricks short of a full load.
The article can be found here.
As posted above, the pastor's account of what happened is here. I'd be very interested in reading the police report...
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http://www.truebornsons.com/060209%20Officer%...
Cuz I gotta believe that the one sure way to earn yourself at least a few centuries in hell would be to wish it upon another.
Wouldn't it be enough to pray that Obama just resigns and disappears into obscurity? Or goes to heaven?
What, exactly, has Obama done to deserve an eternity of torment?
"What, exactly, has Obama done to deserve an eternity of torment?"
He's guilty of being different (i.e. not white Repug).
And for that he must be destroyed.
Wouldn't it be enough to pray that Obama just resigns and disappears into obscurity?
Well, no, because then his Old Testament-style bloodlust wouldn't be satisfied. The god he worships is a ghoul, didn't you know that?
Or goes to heaven?
Oh, hahaha. Do you really think these people want someone like Obama in heaven? Their heads would explode at the very thought.
And we can assume that the IRS will be investigating this church as well?
should be down the necks of every church. I'm religious myself (though not Christian) and I've never agreed with the whole thing about not taxing churches. They take in money, they have an income, they should pay taxes like everyone else. No free rides.
God is real, then this a-hole has made a legitimate threat against the US President. If God is a phony baloney piecve of make-believe, then this a-hole is just frothing off.
Time to decide people, and act on said decision.
From a legal standing, the reality of God is moot. What is important is intent: ie, he believes God is real therefore the intent was to cause prayer to be answered.
By your logic someone could only be tried for murder if they succeeded, which is not the case due to intent.
Give me examples of people being tried for murders that did not happen. No dead body, no attack, just a simple wish that someone was dead.
I don't think you can name any, bub.
Anyway, no, I have no examples onhand, and don't want to do more than the most cursory search for them, so I'll give the Wiki on attempted murder for a halfarsed attempt.
Don't wanna start a big deal out of this, and did like the solipsism in the logic, but I found fault with the logic. It could be me as I'm no PhD in Logic or anything (well, metaphysics but that's from the Universal Life Church and came with the ordination).
Peace my fellow traveler
In Witchcraft we say Up Yours.
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I was trying to convey that we were on the same side of the debate and not start a side discussion. Thought it best to end it with something that sounded positive and nonthreatening.
Speak for yourself. Not all pagans are apt to say Up Yours just because we don't agree.
conspiracy to commit murder, in-sighting violence, and threatening the president of the United States are ALL against the law...
I think that is good enough to quell this. The problem is that the Dems lack a backbone. They have to compromise with insane repugs. They are afraid to state the obvious or the truth, and they are afraid to prosecute people who encourage others to bring assault rifles to presidential gatherings.
If this was the Bush administration, merely stating that you disagree with corporate cronyism and an unjust war would have gotten you locked up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiradcejA6o
or peacefully protesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBARO_vj70w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OnnUTK7QjI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqF_tCbglmw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ougH8G6UnkI
or even a reporter covering the protest will get arrested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjyvkR0bGQ
Where the hell was the cops and pepper spray when those guys came with assault rifles?
ATTEMPTED MURDER! What else would you be charged with if you don't succeed?
There is also conspiracy, sedition, inciting to riot, etc.
conspiracy.
"...because that is what Christ is all about."
Mens rea, guilty mind. That is what you two are discussing. You are also, perhaps, talking about conspiracy. Hey Dave Wolf. You just skunked me.
-- Although I am hoping that is a complement ;-)
...why hasn't this bum been removed from his pulpit? Any religious leader who advocates violence against anyone, much less the President, needs to be kicked out of the church pronto. The silence of his elders speaks volumes about "Christianity."
he made it up himself. He is the Supreme Being in his own little nutted up world.
You always "nail it".........:)
when you have no rules on religion at all. Any nutcase can hang out a shingle and attract other nutcases, until it reaches a head and shit goes down.
He got his "reverend" papers on Stormfront's website.
For covering this issue. I haven't seen it on any of the other broadcast or cable networks. This is a real concern.
Since he's walking the fine line, what about the IRS and their tax exempt status. Could anything be done on that front?
Republican leaders need to take a stand and prod conservatives to tone down the vitriol and the tenor. I hope it doesn't take a serious incident to get them to respond. Enough is enough - they need to develop some spine here, it's escallated too far.
Seems we are assuming much here. I have yet to hear about an IRS statute that says one can lose their tax exempt status for being an asshole.
Republican leaders are more interested in calling this man and others of his ilk "great Americans" who are standing up for their 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment rights. Apparently, only whacko Repubs actually have constitutional rights, considering that leftie protesters were arrested for the improper wearing of t-shirts.
I keep being reminded daily by all the insanity in this country, just why I'm an atheist. It feels good to NOT be associated in any way with groups that espouse such hate to another human being.
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This guy is a walking advertisement for abortions.
What kind of person does this and what kind of people sit in church and listen to this bullshit?
Republicans
Baptists
Charismatics
Fox viewers.
Limbo listeners.
Yes, this is the same bloviate who was tased at an Arizona checkpoint. More Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...
BTW, Christopher Broughton, the anti-Obama, anarchist AR-15-carrying terrorist who showed up at Obama's Arizona rally is a member of Anderson's church... surprised?
Am I surprised that the black guy with an assault rifle at a political meeting is a member of a racist-leaning church led by what appears to be a self-hating, closeted homosexual? Wait -- what? There is nothing about this insanity that makes sense, except perhaps the self-loathing theme going on.
a leader to replace Jerry Falwell (R-Gehenna)
Actually the people of Gehenna was one of the first people ethnically cleansed in the name of religion.
I've never in my life heard a so called "man of god" pray that someone die and go to hell. What kind of ignorant fools listen to someone so obviously mentally disturbed?
Rev. Pat Robertson, openly and publicly called for the assassination of Pres. Hugo Chavez of Venezuela less than 2 years ago. I think Chavez must have been interfering somewhat in some of Robertson's lucrative side businesses. Considering the state of "christianity" in the USA these days, it is downright dangerous to get between a "man of dog" and his "bone" ...
Just saying ...
Falwell, Roberts, Hagee, Dobson to name a few
Haven't been around much, have you?
the Phelps family is sooooooooo anygry that they now have some compeition for their hate spewing...........how dare he try to take over the Phelp's place in history..........the nerve of him!!!Can we just send them all somewhere else????
Yes indeed! Perhaps there's a way to cause a war between these maniacal, religious zealots... hmmmm.
Two sects can have 99% agreemeent in their respective religious beliefs, but all it takes is that 1% of disagreement, no matter own minor, to get them to start fighting and killing each other.
the Democrats, don't you? The Left in general, actually.
Hmmmm...maybe. But what we're dealing with here are characters reminescent of Batman's nemesis, The Joker. A psychopath who revels in inflicting pain and suffering on others as well as on himself.
any different. The end is the same.
Which "lefties" are you referring to?
hate spewing, gay bashing, pedophile, racist, holier-than-thou, misogynist, paternalistic, fantasy-inspired horse shit.
It is past time for taxing these evildoers.
The more people are allowed to do this - carry guns near a presidential event, inciting violence, justifying racism - the bigger the threat becomes.
Some tool in Idaho "joked" about hunting Obama. Glenn Beck "jokes" about poisoning Nancy Pelosi.
It's time these asshats receive repercussions for their actions.
GOOD.
- Steve
Current Blog Rant: http://marmel.com/2009/08/utah-says-its-okay-...
Even whilst still a Mormon, I'd imagine the Day of Judgment was everyone forgiving one another.
Only those who couldn't or would refuse to forgive would face God's judgment.
This is another way the white fearful republican rich folkers are covering their racism. This gives justification for them.
Actually, justification is also a religious term; it means to make righteous.
At first I didn't think your word choice was explicable in that sense of the definition, now I'm not sure.
I pray for the truth to wake up within these people...intention is creative..
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