Well Mayor, How Are You Gonna Feel When It's your Daughter Kidnapped By Terrorist! Congressman John Shadegg
November 16, 2009 C-SPAN
Last night's speech wasn't nearly as adorable. Shadegg spoke from the House floor to rail against a criminal trial for alleged 9/11 conspirators in New York City. In particular, the far-right Arizonan was incensed that NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I) believes, "It is fitting that 9/11 suspects face justice near the World Trade Center site where so many New Yorkers were murdered."
As Matt Finkelstein reported, Shadegg doesn't see it quite the same way. "I saw the Mayor of New York said today, 'We're tough. We can do it,'" the Republican congressman said. "Well, Mayor, how are you going to feel when it's your daughter that's kidnapped at school by a terrorist? How are you going to feel when it's some clerk -- some innocent clerk of the court -- whose daughter or son is kidnapped? Or the jailer's little brother or little sister?"
As a matter of decency, Shadegg's little tantrum was vile and unnecessary. If Shadegg has a policy argument to make, fine. But openly speculating on the House floor about imaginary kidnappings of the mayor's daughter is loathsome, even by the standards of congressional Republicans.
Because they are cowards! And insane!
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness that is killing America!
It truly sucks when someone says what you NEED to hear and not what you WANT to hear. Bringing these savages here to prosecute under our system is so totally wrong it's hard to find the words to describe. These are people who play by no rules, what part of that do you not understand?
Indians into Arizona had been so dangerous (snick). They played by no rules because we kept calling them savages and they wouldn't cooperate.
Once they had been beaten into submission with religion, alcohol, drugs and white mans money they cooperated.
...your post shows just how uninformed, cowardly and UN-American you are. Why don't you move to North Korea where they dispense the kind of "justice" you seem to admire?
Cowardly, ignorant, UN-American Repukes don't belong in the United states.
..terrorists, don't play by the rules; so what? We're supposed to be the ones on the moral high ground. w did a fine job of running that train right off the track. Here's an opportunity to show the world we DO believe in the rule of law.
But then again, maybe you're talking about the cowards in the gop who don't play by the rules. Its always OK if a republican't does it!
The thing that the cowards are afraid of is the previous administration being dragged into this because of the torture committed illegally in our name.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
I feel sorry for you, you obviously have no faith in America or its traditions. You are allowing yourself to be motivated by fear and ignorance and as such that makes you a ripe target of the lies and fearmongering of the republican'ts.
In your warped world view, terrorists will be inspired by a bunch of men being put on trial for their crimes, but the same terrorists wont be inspired by our invading another country on the flimsiest of reasons and killing thousands of people in the process. You have been sadly misled. If you have no faith in the American way, just say so. It would be more honest of you, rather than relying on easily disprovable talking points based off of bad lawyer movies and tv shows.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
Because they are cowards! And insane!
I don't know why we're not using the right word for these Republicans: pussies.
They are timid, weak frightened scaredy cats who think terrorists have magical powers to move through walls.
Alan Grayson? Start mocking please.
I gotta know what Maddy says about this issue.
Shag Dog is a fool.
Is a compromised mind.
And, to borrow from eloquence...
"Do the thing you fear most and the death of fear is certain."
~Mark Twain
This man has a vile mind, but he is a republican so I guess that makes it okay. Oh and he's a wimp too.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
They need some greasepaint, gigantic shoes, and a tiny car they can all cram themselves into.
"In theory theory and practice are alike. In practice they are very different."
Any body who believes NYC isn't tough enough for these trials, doesn't know NYC! We all know what the terrorists believe in; they're not going to say anything we haven't already heard.
Put me on the jury! Shoot, let me walk them to the court!
To the right-wing I say: I AM NOT AFRAID OF THESE BASTARDS!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Just think about how New Yorkers defeated the terrorists on 9/12/01 when they refused to be terrorized. I lived there for 10 years in the 60's/70's and still have ties. I consider it 'my city' still. Never was I ever so proud of the City to see all New Yorkers pull together then. Everybody became polite to and caring of their neighbors, something people from outside found startling, but just underlined the basic decency of the New York people. Sure there are some who don't believe it appropriate to hold the trial there, but they are in the minority. Nobody is afraid there, except perhaps the minority of right wing loonies.
and let him know he's a coward and a woefully poor representative of this country.
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And remember: Be respectful and calm when telling the Honorable Gentleman from Arizona that he is a cowardly wanker who is helping the terrorists...terrorize.
I voted against this guy. . . I swear. Don't blame it on all of us in Phoenix. . .
... why do you hate America?
Why, Sir, are you doing the terrorists' work for them, preying on the fears of innocent men and women so that they do not confront terrorism and terrorists as the criminals/thugs they are, but instead elevate them to influential figures that we must fear and cater to?
You disgust me.
If I were a NYC cop I would be pissed as hell that these wimps don't think NYC cops can handle something like this. The police force should speak out against this dumb shit fear mongering and do it now.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
That's exactly the last thing these terrorists want. They'd be killed within an hour. No witnesses.
"The guards aren't there to protect us from KSM..."
with a cell phone camera who grows up to want justice.
that's for sure.
...and an embarrassment for all us Arizonans. Of course, I guess just about every state has one of these bozos - Iowa has Steve King, we have John Shadegg.
we also have Trent Franks, Jon Kyl and John McPOW.
Och.
DiFi.
a comment such as this. Gohmert, Foxx, King, Barton, Kingston, Shadegg, Bachmann, Schmidt, and others too numerous to mention. those are some congressional GOPers whove said things thatre outrageous. sheesh they really are shrill and meanwhile offering no solutions to any problems the US faces. but plenty of vitriol and unproductive rants.
"loathsome, even by the standards of congressional Republicans.
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I didn't know that congressional repugnantcans had any standards. Look in the dictionary for the meaning of the words "disgusting, putrid, insane, maniacal or pornographic" and one definition could be "the Republican Party and its membership."
by the 'standards of congressional republicans', nothing is too loathsome to be mentioned.
They despise these representatives yet go soft and timid when confronted face to face with them. I'll give the right credit for getting in their faces and saying look you son of a bitch we're tired of your bullsh*t . . at least they stand up for what they believe in.
...the right doesn't get tazered, beaten and arrested for doing so. Real easy to be brave when there is no reason to fear.
"It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head."
Sally Kempton
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Oooh, appeal to emotion. Well that sure wins me over every time.
Imagine the sh!tstorm a Dem would endure if he suggested the justice system was not to be trusted to do its job . . .
god damn it...
zone comes to mind . .
...back when conservatives would, in response to being told torture was wrong, invoke Jack Bauer and how I would likely let him do the things he does, I agreed. I would. Because I trust Jack Bauer, largely because I get to see everything he does; Jack had no secrets from us. And we, the viewers, already knew that he was on the track to stopping an attack we already knew was immimnent. Also, I trust Batman, Spider-Man and the Tooth Fairy to do their wholly fictional jobs as well... Heads exploded...
This is what happens when a lowbrow piece of schlock like 'Taken' is considered acceptable by gullible movie audiences wihtout any standards.
Taken was an amusing little action-adventure flick.
Anyone mistaking that for a primer on foreign policy probably thinks Carrie Prejean is still a virgin.
go directly to Congress and demand this coward to say that to his face and then beat the shit out of him anyway.
And we all know that only terrorist are kidnappers, right?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
...isn't being scared of more terrorism the point of terrorism? So, in every way that matters, aren't these fearmongers aiding and abetting the terrorists, and helping them accomplish their goals of spreading fear?
Meanwhile, lack of insurance, poor safety standards, poor food inspection standards and the like are all killing far more people per year than terrorists. I made a list of all the things we don't fear that kill far more than terrorism... I'll see if I can dig it up...
... over at Bruce Schneier's SecurityBlog. He's written a few columns about how bad we are at judging risk, and how that applies to terrorism.
I also highly recommend his book 'Beyond Fear,' which makes the whole of Congress look pretty damn silly.
I love blog/book recommendations!
in the American populace was one of the driving tenets of the PNAC neo-con strategy. Without something to galvanize that 'fear' response (like, say a New Pearl Harbor - 9/11) they knew that the American people would not support their imperial adventures to invade sovereign nations to secure oil and gas resources. Thus, they either 'allowed' the attack to happen...or, 'made it' happen, depending on your point of view.
And, make no mistake, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Kristol, et al were sitting in their offices grinning and wringing their grubby little hands as they watched the reactions of Americans on 9/11 and the days immediately following. And, they still are.
They and their compatriots (these fools spewing BS in Congress) are the real Terrorists. I just wonder how much longer it will take for most Americans to understand this.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
... we could have Dick Cheney pulling a Col. Nathan Jessup moment (A Few Good Men) and admit to ordering torture, lying about the war, outing Valerie Plame ...
... and the faithful would still be insisting he protected America, and Obama is the anti-Christ.
They made this mess of Gitmo then when we try to clean it up they cry like little babies.
deal. The no compete method so popular during the 8 years of Boosh.
They pooped all over the place for eight years and played in it. Now we're trying to clean up that poop and they are crying because they got so used to playing in it that they forgot it was poop.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
the GOP is scared of nearly everything. if they weren't so busy fear mongering they would be fleeing the scene.
today's GOP: AHHHHHHH! run! retreat!
Good God, how sick are these f*cktards? "Those are words of an act of war..." Doh...gomer, go eat your toenails for a spell. What a dumb ass hole.
Crank up the paranoia. I swear, these worthless scarebags of bull shit have NOTHING else to do...NOTHING...but to constantly bitch and moan about anything and everything this administration decides to do.
Just wait till President Obama makes his decision on Afghanistan. You can bet they will bitch regardless of what his decision is....more troops, less troops, an exit strategy, NO exit strategy.
Why do we need repukes in Congress. They just waste our time. They actually get a salary for being obstructionists????
Mayor Bloomberg had the perfect response. "I will not justify that comment with a response."
That is how adults respond to children and fools.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Hey John, how are you going to feel when you're held without trial and tortured for eight years?
Excuse me Congressman, I have a question...do you actually think up these stupid comments ahead of time, or just make it up as you go.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
and they are aware that if tried under American law, most of these suspects will walk. Which will make them look like fools, and the fact that all that talk about "protecting the homeland" was all smoke being blown out of their rectal cavities.
They are willing to trash the constitution so that they can save face. It is not just that these assholes hate America, it is their clear contempt for the ideals under this country was founded that scares the bejesus out of me.
I agree. I worry more about the damage they are doing than I do about the damage terrorists can do. The sad thing is these guys and women get away with it every day and there doesn't seem to be any laws against it.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
... laws are a social compact, an agreement to behave in a set manner as benefits the community. Republicans don't give a rat's ass about the community.
... the GOP has developed a policy of 'that which is not expressly forbidden is acceptable,' which we see in most of the Bush Administration nonsense, from crap about the unitary executive to 'seeking moral clarity' on torture, and Alberto Gonzales' opinion on habeas corpus.
'save face'.
They're trying to continue the charade while they loot what's left of the American economy and ensure they'll have control of the resources in the ME for themselves and their posterity. By 'they', I mean the
Powers that Be, not these ridiculous buffoon tools in Congress. They are useful for distraction to advance the cause, but not the real problem.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
I have never seen so many morons using such dumbbed down arguments like these people.
I recently went to see relatives and was caught in a room where people were watching Faux News. (I have it blocked on my channnel at home, so never have to see it.) I was amazed at how EVERYTHING was designed to scare the audience. The terrorists are out to get us in the Middle East AND in Topeka; there are spies everywhere; Obama will destroy Medicare, Social Security, health care, and cause our great-great grandchildren to be in hock to the Chinese forever; Christianity is under attack; the Founding Fathers are experiencing the agonies of hell fire because Nancy Pelosi and the Libruls hate America and want to burn flags and turn us into a Nazi state.
No wonder all the Rethugs are paranoid, fearful, whimpering cowards! There is SO much for them to be afraid of. They will never be capable of doing anything more than wet their diapers after being frightened into believing there are boogeymen under every bed in this great country. We need to calm these people down and let them know that we will take care of all their boo-boos. The world is not a totally safe place, and care and planning are necessary to protect our interests, but we don't need to be cringing, anxiety ridden infants about things. More needs to be said about how frightened of their shadows the Rethug base has become, and how fear drives their party.
Candideinnc
C-Span: Congressman Weiner Demands Congressman Shadegg Apologize & Shut Up!
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
I would not want to be on Congressman Weiner's bad side. Good for him!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
...what a freakin' bedwetter. I scoff on a daily basis at the notion that Republicans consider themselves He-Man protectors of all that is good and American. These people would push little kids out the way, George Costanza-style, to escape burning toast in the kitchen.
Feh and double-feh on these kooks.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
When the fuck did Khalid Sheikh Mohammed become General Zod?
... Zod had a trial.
Again, another know-nothing backward hick from a state where almost nobody lives opens his mouth to show just how uninformed and cowardly Republicans are. Why do we put up with these yahoos? They should get no news coverage and no votes in Congress.
Well Congressman, how are you gonna feel when a troop of monkeys fly out of your arse?
'Talk to the hand'
Even their repug brethren can't listen to this nonsense it seems...
is everyone???
"A black belt is not what you were, it is what you become"
but New York City is not groveling in fear of terrorists.
Trust me on that one.
I believe you.
'Talk to the hand'
yeah, the more i thimk about it i wonder - what would they do? find more rivets to pound out?
Mayor Bloomberg to Congressman Fearmonger:
You worry about your constituency and let me worry about mine.....
'Talk to the hand'
Or are you thinking out loud?
Well it should be.
'Talk to the hand'
Hey Mr. Shadegg, how are you going to feel when your daughter is kidnapped by space aliens, and we sit by powerless, because we didn't invest enough on space travel?
I find it interesting that given all the possible scenarios to make up to back up his clearly retarded opinion, he chooses terrorists kidnapping the mayor's daughter. Is it a subject he can relate to? Hmmmmm. Interesting. He could have said "How you gonna feel when terrorists have sex with your dog and there's an earthquake and Glenn Beck declares himself "Supreme Leader of the Universe"? It could happen? Right?
Well Congressman Moonbat, how are you gonna feel when terrorists choke your chicken?
How you gonna feel when they strangle your goose......or whip your pony?
'Talk to the hand'
Behind every tough, chickenhawk conservative is a coward made insane by fear.
Didn't that happen in "Airforce One"?
Seriously, he ought to know that no terrorism happens anywhere in the world without the express written consent of the CIA.
It is easy to talk like an idiot to an empty chamber. Two idiots talking to each other and no one else.
All these tough-as-nails hardcore neocons who are really fierce when it comes to nukes and smart bombs and death and destruction rained on other countries are ready to throw in the towel if KSH rattles his chains and says, "Boo!". Hah. Wimps. Sissies. Beef-eating surrender elephants. The terrorists have won. The Republican Party wants us to be scared of our own shadows. To paraphrase the immortal Pogo, "We have met the enemy and he is the GOP."
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