GITMO Guard : "I Felt Ashamed Of What I Did"
By CSPANJunkie Thursday Feb 19, 2009 11:59amFebruary 17, 2009 MSNBC Rachel Maddow Show
John Amato:
Rachel grabs a scoop of an interview with Gitmo guard U.S. Army Specialist Brandon Neely, who detailed incidents of prisoner abuse and felt compelled to speak out:
Maddow: After serving as guard at Guantanamo for the first six months of its existence as a “war on terror” prison camp, Brandon Neely now says that he is ashamed by some of what he did there and he‘s still haunted by some things that he witnessed. Moved by conscience, Mr. Neely has come forward. He came forward first to the University of California at Davis Guantanamo Testimonials Project. He described incidents to them in quite graphic detail.
Neely: And for me, over time, it just really builds up. And every day I think about it and I relive those situations, and it gets the best of me. And the best way for me to deal with this is speak out. And around December, it just—everything just really hit me. And I just knew I had to talk. I knew I needed to speak about Guantanamo.
Here's the full transcript.
UPDATE: You can read Neely's full testimonials among others at UC Davis' Center for the Study of Human Rights in America.
Heather: Rachel's interview with Brandon Neely was also one of the subjects of Keith's Still Bushed segment. His commentary before and on the interview being as noteworthy as the interview itself.
Olbermann: And number one also torture-gate small picture. Army Private Brandon Neely has talked to the Associated Press about his time at a guard at Gitmo. "The stuff I did and the stuff I saw was just wrong" he says. This stuff...beatings of prisoners. Not beating vaguely rationalized by being part of that Jack Bauer crap enhanced interrogations. Go and beat a prisoner up and never say a word to him. Revenge. Revenge because this began in 2002 and soldiers like Brandon Neely were told these were some of the people responsible for 9-11. So when a shackled detainee came off the bus and started to resist being jammed into a small cage, Neely says he grabbed him and shoved him face first into the cement floor and was only vaguely aware that he was doing this to a trembling old man.
Neely only later found out the old man had started to resist him because he assumed he was about to be executed. Neely now in law enforcement in Texas says he feels guilt and shame over what he did to the point that his upbringing in a military family and the nondisclosure agreement he signed as he left Gitmo don't matter to him. Speaking out he says now is a good way to deal with this. And that is as true for us as a nation as it is for Brandon Neely as an individual. He will do his first television interview in about twenty minutes from now on Rachel's show. I think we had all better watch.
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Just wanted to give you a heads up that Countdown's "Still Bushed" won't download.
fixed.
I hope everyone has seen the Oscar award winning documentary "Taxi to The Dark Side" It's available on Google Video for anyone interested in the depths of our new torture policy in the United States.
And why aren't we actively pursuing Bin Laden?
had drawn the map to where OBL is hiding, but Bush took the crayons when he left the WH, so John hasn't yet been able to color it.
and McCain won't be following him to the gates of hell, as he only wanted to do that as president, not senator
for his Senate seat in the next few years, I'm sure he'll bring it up again and criticize Obama for not doing enough, etc.
But, ya know, He and Cindy Lou have enough money he could retire now and go on a private OBL "hunting" expedition/safari -soon as he color codes the map.
Well, first off. OBL is dead. Has been since December of 2001. (His obituary was posted for all to see.)
n/t
There is no 'moral clarity' that needs to be sought.
Jack Bauer, his world and how extreme measures save the day in the nick of time are nothing more than fiction. They depict a world of fantasy, where the 'rough man willing to do violence on our behalf' stands ever ready while we slumber peaceably in our beds.
Neely is not a lone bad apple. He is the outcome when our leadership fails, and there is the perception of legitimate orders and approval of one's peer group.
We know who the criminals are, and it's time to hold them to account, through indictments, trials, and convictions under laws no less than one signed by Ronald Reagan.
What a perfect show 24 was for the times. It would have been perfect government propaganda if it weren't the product of business, which of course has nothing to do with the government.
not OUR guvmint by gawd!
I watched the 1st and second season of 24...it was a catchy gimmick...but I started catching the subtle parallels between the intrepid Jack Bauer, and what bushco was up to...so...I stopped.
It took me until the latest episode.
..never could!
Never watched it either, nor would I. What blatant propaganda to get Americans cheering torture. It worked too.
didn't see no evil, didn't hear no evil, didn't do no evil...
Theres going to be bucketloads of these 'confessions' until the last one standing takes the rap.
So does he need her to say, "You've been a bad...bad...boy?"
http://sexualityinart.files.wordpress.com/200...
Most wouldn't have ever talked about it.
...but I'm kind of concerned about him 'cause Keith said he's currently working in 'law enforcement' in Texas, of all places. I hope this young man is receiving some mental health assistance, and that he won't have a flashback or snap sometime when he's dealing with some civilian at a stop for a traffic violtation.
Those are the very thoughts that went through my head as I read about him.
...I hope he's not "set up" some night when he's out alone on patrol. This guy needs to watch his back.
He's in Bush country down there in Texas.
Oh hell, I hadn't thought of that. At least what he has said is on record so doing him in would look damned suspicious.
And I was thinking, he might be in deep shit, if he's broken military code or whatever...
Maybe should have done it anonymously...
from Sucky to Cool on your Texometer?
to go suck your cool texometer.....
right?
never saw even one episode - don't waste my time on such crap. But, you've no need to disparage LnM's comment about how brave this young man is to speak out in Rachel's show.
understand the context. This was about an earlier comment made about Texans, not the man in question, who happens to be a Texan, and therefore shit in a bucket.
And the 24 reference had something to do with an earlier comment as well. I've never watched it either.
with your comments...you can be so eloquent and on topic, then you can be...an ass. What is up with that?
You remind me of a teenager that's smarter than average, but still prone to teenage behavior
a couple of commenters had about Hannity sniffing his fingers after having them up his...you mean stuff like that?
If so I will avoid putting my fingers in that sort of thing.
When people complain about my comments I pay it no mind.
Some of my nastiest comments get deleted by the site monitors.
I don't complain; I don't explain.
Any writer knows that once he writes something there's no telling how it will be taken, even if it's not what he meant.
That was funny.
I've been waiting for this. I applaud Brandon finding his voice and having the courage to speak out. He's right... if this stuff gets covered over and silenced, people and the country cannot heal. Speak truth to power... it's the only way toward a peaceful revolution.
That Bozell driven hate site masquerading as a (left-wing) media monitor is already mocking the piece,claiming Rachel "over sold" it.
I'm certain Bozell and company would find the conditions similar to Club Med,and as Cheney observed would feel privileged to be "living in the Tropics".
I wish I hadn't googled newsbusters and wandered over there. They are all over the rant that rick santelli (sp?) did on the floor of the stock market today bitching because he doesn't want his tax dollars going to help people with their mortgages.
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are secure in the knowledge that they will never be prosecuted for giving the military the green light to torture prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib and Bagram Air Force Base which, for some unknown reason has received far less attention than the other two hell holes, despite the fact that the levels of atrocities have actually been worse than in either Gitmo or Abu Ghraib. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld understand that Obama was simply blowing smoke when he told the American people that he is an agent of change. They certainly realized that they could commit their war crimes with impunity since Obama wanted to "look forward" rather than make them pay for the high Crimes and Misdemeanors that they had committed against prisoners and citizens of third world countries.
Yoo and Addington are the one's who provided the "security" that the three stooges have for allowing/ordering torture. obama will consider the truth commision when he sees the bill proposal.
i personally hope this could be the beginning of the end for BUSH/cheney/rumsfeld. i sometimes believe
torture was used as a strategy to continue/prolong the war/insurgencies. to criticize obama is totally
unrealistic. i'm curious to know if you will give obama props when he signs stem cell bill or does feel better to criticize about someone who has been in office for 4 weeks and been handed the largest financial crisis in 80 years.
Constitutent
You seem to believe that I am treating Obama unfairly as exemplified by your absurd statement that "To criticize Obama is totally unrealistic". On the contrary, I believe his record speaks for itself. What should not be forgotten is that he campaigned as being an agent of change. Instead, he is continuing Bush's murderous policies by dropping 500 lb. American bombs on innocent Afghan women and children, sending two more combat brigades into that beleaguered country, ordering drone missiles into Pakistan which have resulted in the deaths of innocent Pakistanis, proposing to keep American troops in Iraq [which, of course, will do nothing in winning the hearts and minds of those people], making absolutely no mention of the Palestinians who were indiscriminately slaughtered by the Israelis a few weeks ago in his inaugural speech. Not exactly the stuff of someone claiming to an agent of hope, now is it? This link is an excellent representation of what Obama is doing in the short time that he has been in office.
http://www.darianworden.com/pics/votedemocrat...
You wonder when I will applaud Obama when he signs a stem cell bill. What you do not mention is that he has now retracted his campaign promise of pushing for this bill as he is now saying that he wishes to wait for Congress to act instead of using his bully pulpit to urge Congress to aid those with spinal cord injuries, muscular dystrophy, cerebral palsy, multiple sclerosis. Since my wife suffers from Parkinson's disease [along with many other Americans], this then means that each day that Obama refuses to push for this bill, there is one less day of hope for my wife and others that they will be given as no R & D will be used in order to search for a cure for this debilitating disease [and the others that I also mentioned] which, besides the damage that it does to its victims, also shortens the life span of those who are afflicted with this weakening condition. But Obama refuses to keep his campaign pledge to push for this bill.
Just another reason why I despise this loathsome bastard.
i respect your view and i almost always read your input but i will have to agree to disagree. i feel your wrong and/or unrealistic. obama will let the people speak/legislative branch speak he's waiting to sign that bill when it's ready. he's been clear about that. obama guaranted just a week or so ago he will sign legislation to reverse BUSH's anti stem cell bill. wow in office 4 weeks and he's expected to shxt gold bricks for people.
"I feel your wrong and/or unrealistic" [?]. As near as I can make out, it seems that you are attempting to say that I am supposedly not realistic because Obama has "only" been in office for about a month. I suggest that you try telling that bit of unrealistic thinking to the families of those victims whose loved ones have been ripped apart by 500 lb. American bombs which were directed at them through the orders of your hero, namely one Barack Obama. As this link makes clear, more women and children have died because of American interventionism whose lethal weapons were sent on their deadly way by Obomb-a. Of course the military's response is that they will "investigate", as if that bring those people back to life, or as if the United States will actually admit that they were wrong to murder those people or even admit that they are wrong to be in Afghanistan in the first place.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/...
As I stated earlier, Obama is also ordering two more combat brigades into a country which never threatened anyone in these United States. Doing this will of course greatly increase the chances that more innocent women and children will end up slaughtered at the hands of another less than benevolent American president. As I stated at comment 13:40, what Americans like you seem to be so bereft of is the word empathy, as you seem incapable of imagining what it would be like if you were to see and feel a bomb hurtling toward you from the sky above.
Those civilians, including the women and the children, and like the Pakistanis, did not deserve to die in that fashion and for absolutely no justifiable reason. But even the great Obama cannot make these people, who died because of his orders, come back from the dead.
Obomb-a-the mad bomber. Afghans-resist the American empire.
I'm not giving up hope just yet, as it's still pretty early in this administration.
However, I believe I did hear Jonathan Turley on Countdown last week discussing that there is no question what they did constitutes war crimes, and that it is possible that other countries who are also signatories to the pertinent treaties 'could' arrest and legally try
them for said crimes. So, If Barry wont do it maybe someone in the Netherlands or somewhere will?? ~!
Hopefully others will start speaking up too.
There was a reporter on I believe it was Chis Matthews Sunday show who said there were going to be so many law suits coming up brought by ex-detainees that eventually all the crimes of the bush administration would come to light without the Obama administration having to do anything. Let's hope he's correct.
Is his guilty concience enough, or should this man be charged with a war crime? Somehow i dont think 'I was just following orders' excuses for what he did.
I'm sure at the end of WW2 there were many German prison guards who felt bad for what they did, but they were held accountable.
Are American soldiers to be given a pass when they cross the line?
This poor dude needs it.
But his 'law enforcement' pals in Texas likely will make him pay something for his temerity...
as an aside: I am not at ALL thrilled that a LOT of our former volunteer killers for christ have returned to CONUS and joined the constabulary. I do NOT think it a good idea that cops have a military bearing, or a military world-view.
..doesn't mean he isn't complicit in the war crimes the USA committed. We wrote the laws during the Nuremburg trials that established criminal liability for soldiers, officers, etc. who "followed orders". He shoved a man's face into the cement. That act alone may not constitute torture merely "prisoner control" but if he did "water-board", he may speak out but that doesn't absolve him of the crime of torture.
He was very courageous to speak out and I applaud him! I do hope we go after the "three stooges" though; until we, as a nation, do, we're all war criminals!
Bush and co implied the US doesn't need to adhere to the Geneva conventions or the Nuremburg laws- Were the laws written so Americans would be exempt from prosecution? Bush, Rusmfeld and Cheney seemed to think so.
About a year ago, Rumsfeld was having breakfast at a French hotel in Paris, they get word that the French police are on their way to enforce a 'war crimes' arrest warrant, so US embassy staff whisk him off to Germany and then onto a US mil aeroplane back to the US, nice to have friends like this when you are an EX gov politician but it still uses its machine to protect you from the law.
It's interesting you say that. How many Germans said, "They didn't know what was going on," at the end of the war?
Oh really?!? You never saw one of your neighbours getting dragged off by the Gestapo, or maybe you thought they were on their way for a tropical vacation (a la Dick Cheney) and that was the airport pick-up?? I don't buy it now, and I won't buy it from Americans either.
Everyone knows fully well what was going on down there. Is there now going to be collective amnesia, or feigned ignorance?
No one that participated gets a pass. I would rather sit in a jail cell than treat another human being that way (orders or not). You do have choices.
I applaud this guy for coming forward. Thousands more need to also. It doesn't make him not guilty.
I read somewhere that the Spanish magistrate who busted Pinochet has something in the works for the Bushies, if ever any of 'em strays outta the good ol' USA.
Mebbe there'd be a chance of a kind of Eichman operation, snatching Cheney or rummie, and hauling their asses off to Madrid for trial, but I kind doubt it...
I believe I've stated before that the very best we here in the USofA can hope for with respect to the crimes of the Busheviks is a carefully written Report from some "blue-ribbon" Commission, maybe cchaired by Lee Hamilton, with the help of Kissinger, which may or may not actually make accusations of impropriety, but will never ever, ever, ever use the words "war crimes."
I'd gladly chip-in for an all-expense-paid trip to the Hague for the lot of 'em!
to help pay for that trip!
There was a healthy debate about arresting Bush when he visited Canada. Most Canadians were for it, and many of our politicians were too. It didn't end up happening. I guess we figured you nuke us. Or, more probably, the bottom line always comes back to money and we're big trading partners. Still, I was 800% behind it.
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stealing humanity one soldier at a time...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/a...
And Obama continues. Torture? I'd say it's torture to bomb people's homes pretending to hunt for terrorists by terrorizing them.
ConcernedCanuck
Extremely well said. As the writer Marilyn Young noted on Bill Moyers' Journal a few weeks ago, one often sees in a film a bomb dropped out of plane. But what one never sees is the viewpoint of the victim as that bomb is hurtling toward his or her way where it will tear asunder his or her body and scatter it across the countryside. That is the reality that the corporate media will never present to the American people.
Are not discussing the war similarities between Obama and Nixon. Yes Nixon. Nixon was first elected with the promise to end the Vietnam War. Did he? Nope. He instead had the military carry out massive bombing runs, without telling Americans, and then used the same old tired excuse being used right now...well, they are getting help from ______ nation. So we'll bomb them too. Obama is doing the exact same thing.
Now the only diff between Nixon and Obama? Americans overwhelmingly wanted Nixon to end the war in Vietnam, or at least in huge numbers. For Afghanistan, American majority supports these atrocities.
ConcernedCanuck
"So we'll bomb them too." Exactly correct. Liberal interventionism at its finest. I think that you may appreciate the link that I posted at 13:34 as the pictorial helps to prove your comparison between Obomb-a and Nixon when Nixon carpet bombed North Vietnam and Cambodia. Obama seems well on his way of doing the same thing in Afghanistan if not also in Pakistan and possibly Iran.
All are fully equipped with 155mm artillery, and they are busy busy shelling the crap out of anything that moves in various areas there from secure fire bases.
Its so reminiscent of Vietnam its not funny.
If you see the videos on Youtube etc, they travel in convoys on the highways, get ambushed from the hills by the bandits, then have a manic five minutes of shooting not much on the hillside, then carry on to whereever.
Exactly how the Soviets carried on in the 80s there.
History repeats and so do the dumb folks.
Oh and by the way, the Taliban types are on the doorstep of and dug in near the capital Kabul, so by all standards the 'war' is almost lost.
You forgot Laos. The USA dropped more bombs on Laos than were dropped in all of WWII, by both sides. Not really so brave, is it? If you visit Loas, there is nothing but countryside and poor farmers that have nothing to do with any of it, and they are lovely, welcoming and kind people.
This is the American way. Nothing stands in the path keeping America from the planet's wealth. I think it goes beyond who is president. It is ingrained in your foreign policy: nothing/noone can challenge "American interests," without getting killed.
The USA needs to stop being the world's police and army. The needs of 300,000,000 pamperted people do not outweigh the neds of 6 billion others!! I'm just so sick of it.
About two teenagers, a boy and a girl and their adventures when they are avoiding the German army and eventually join up with partisans, theres a very good bombardment scene when they are with the stay behind oldies in the forest and the Germans bomb the proverbial out of it.
Prob the best 'being on the receiving end' in cinema history, complete with silence and deafness afterwards.
A very traumatic episode in the movie.
Three more former Gitmo Guards have come forward to tell their stories since U.S. Army Specialist Brandon Neely was on her show two nights ago. I hope to hear them soon. Please follow up.
If you want to send him some strength and thanks.
houston@ivaw.org
The Truth is an Offense, but not a Sin ~ Bob Marley
The people he absused were the true victims.
Spin it however you want- Just because he feels bad about what he did doesn't absolve him of war crimes.
So if I get drunk, then decide to drive home-and run someone down in the process-would my feeling guilty absolve me of any responsibility of a crime? Hell no. Same with US troops who took to beating and torturing prisoners in Iraq.
Sometimes it's both. In the case of Guantanamo it is an offense AND a sin.
What was done to that 'trembling old man' is just sickening. I wonder how many prisoners were summarily executed. Maybe we should call them 'the lucky ones'.
Watching dick, dubya and don blithely say that the detainees are 'in the tropics' and 'well-fed', like Gitmo is a freaking spa, makes me ill.
That this hellhole is still operational infuriates me. As mentioned above by Erroll, the fact that there are other places just like it (or even worse) is simply disgusting. Also troubling is the fact that about fifty percent of Americans who were recently polled (by CNN) want to keep it open.
I commend Mr Neely for having the guts to tell his story. I sincerely hope for his safety and his sanity.
20,000 men women and children in a modern day concentration camp with all that suggests.
I'm sure he'd enjoy the lovely accommodations, and they even provide "shades" and the latest rock music.
I was just thinking that the really sickening thing is that we probably don't even know about all of the other places around the globe where our CIA folks have been detaining and "questioning" people for literally decades. And, likely, still are....
Because this man is capable of shame, he will likely be able to find his way to the path that will redeem him, if he follows it. Not much hope for those who are bereft of such capacity.
You think guilt and shame are what these guys need?
That's your punishment? Whoa...
Man, mine doesn't start with "Guilt" or "Shame" it starts with "Guillotine" and "Hanging".
Yet 6 years ago there was no way his intellectual superiors could convince him that his low intelligence was being manipulated. Apologize you stupid fucker! AND describe what action you will take, what life-long project you will undertake to reverse what your idiocy did to my nation, and others.
My guess is he's learned dick.
GOD! Such intellectual smallness and gullibility!
The claims by Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney that treatment at Guantanamo was humane remind me of this article from The Guardian UK, Jan 1 1934:
Dachau concentration camp
More at link.
It sick how low the human race sinks, gov for doing and press and public for excusing it.
YES YES YES. This has always been my point. If these guys all go free, if America lets this slide, I will never trust you again. How could I?
It would show America as morally corrupt if you let it go. A morally corrupt country has no soft power, and that is essential in today's world.
At this point I'm sitting on a fence with regards to how I feel about America. I want to like you, but can't and don't (not now). You can do the right thing, or play your biggest-military-in-the-world card, the one that means "shut the fuck up", and the one I see as a tacit threat, and leave the world not trusting you ever again. I tend to feel the worst will happen-- Nothing. The big bully gets away with it YET AGAIN. I've watched a lifetime of that and I'm tired of it.
i dont give a shit what these dirtbags say, you have to be a sadist to do what he and these other fluther muckers did!
We need war crimes trials of *all* service men and women, *all* government officials who had a hand in any of this and the media moguls and their stooges who helped enable this. We need the people who profited from these crimes as well, weapons manufacturers, Blackwater, KBR Everyone.
Until America gets off it's collective ass and cleans it own house there will be a desire in the collective world to bust down their doors and clean it for them.
All Americans should be ashamed of what you let your country become during the last 8 years.
I just got back from 7 weeks in SE Asia, and I didn't meet one person with a good word about the USA (that's people from 5 continents I talked with during my sojourn.) In fact, you are universally loathed, and they had terrible things to say about the good ole USA. Can you understand that?
Please, I beg of you, make America normal again. I hate what you've become.
I did meet many nice Americans, which is always the case (one to one), but as a group, these days. I dunno. (????) I don't think of you as my American "brothers and sisters" anymore. That's really sad. I used to feel welcome in America, but I don't now. I haven't been in the USA since 2003, because I refuse to enter your country.
(A Cannuck.)
I too refuse to enter. As a Canadian I feel like Austria beside Germany. I can't. My morals refuse to let me go. They have lost almost all humanity.
If the Guantanamo detainees were the most dangerous and "worst terrorists in the world" as purported by the Bush Administration, then why wouldn't they have assigned the most sophisticated, experienced and well trained officers and soldiers to guard them. Wouldn't such soldiers be better able to exploit any opportunity to affect positive intelligence from such terrorists?
No offense to Army Pvt. Brandon, but obviously he and the other guards were in way over their heads if in fact these were the most dangerous terrorists.
So, was the Bush Administration lying about the importance of these detainees, hence no need for specially trained guards, or were they simply incompetent in the management of the most dangerous terrorists in the world?
"Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates."
_F E Adcock
Rachel Maddow had said that more Gitmo guards were ready to speak out after seeing the interview with Brandon Neely.
Please, are you kidding me. C'mon, this guy is a plant. The shit that happened there, and other places, was WAY WAY; so much worse than what these guys, whom they let out to the plutocracy press, talk about. The neo-cons are all students of Trotsky. This guy is a later day rote kappelle.
Exclusive: Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTR...
CIA Signals Continuity With Bush Era
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1235606121183...
Byrd: Obama in power grab
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/193...
The Marxist Community Organizer Alinsky's radicals found a perfect vehicle for their destruction of the American system and more particularly for taking and maintaining power. That instrument was the Democratic Party.
http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/dnc_corrupti...
I appreciate this man coming forward I really do.
But let me tell you this. It doesn't change a god damned thing.
"I was just following orders." is absolutely no excuse for any of this.
He is torturer, an enabler and possibly a war criminal. His sentence, should justice be allowed to have one, should be meted out before the Hague and where he should be tried.
If convicted I would hope he serves a light sentence for coming forward to help end this barbarity and fascism.
No more excuses. None. Don't tolerate this.
A guy engages in torture, takes 6 years at least to have heartburn, and you give him a gun and a badge?
Hmm...are John Amato and Rachel Maddow dating now?
As the press has done since the Vietnam War and in typical continuing fashion in their rush to support their political philosophies the press neglected to review or request from the individual a DD 214 that defines the soldiers assignments and the press would also be even more neglectful if they did not request his discharge papers and personal records, but that could possibly yield a truth not supportive of their biased political leg tingling motives. Military scuttle butt has it he only adopted this position when he found out he was being ordered to Iraq. And the infractions committed by the prisoners if not addressed aggressively can result in serious injury to the guard. The majority of these inmate's religion dictate they are to kill the dhimmi. Furthermore, that religious philosophy is not a new premise and Lawrence of Arabia commented to this end in "The 7 Pillars of Wisdom" and Claud von Clauswitz also was well aware of a similar attitude embraced by Jassanaries in the early 1800s.
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